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The Depth and Mystery of Scorpio Part I

 

Phoenix

 

Scorpio takes us into some of the deepest and most complex of energies.  These energies often remain a mystery to many because they are traditionally labeled taboo.  Religious admonitions are ingrained in the collective that ‘the knowledge of good and evil’ is forbidden, yet Scorpio must deal with these issues.  Is it any wonder that people born under this sign sense a lack of understanding on the part of others; even at times a fear?

These taboo subjects and realms are all ‘Scorpio-ruled’:  power, sex, money (because money often equals power), and death.  The truth is that they are endless sources of fascination for most of us!  Scorpio, however, must go through a life immersion course in some, if not all of these arenas, and ultimately become changed at the deepest of core levels because of this journey into the forbidden realms.

This sign begins as Autumn is at its peak around October 23rd, and ends around November 22nd as the Sun is swiftly losing its strength in the northern hemisphere and the nights are becoming longer.  Decay is rapidly occurring as leaves fall from the trees, plants wither and die, birds migrate south, temperatures drop dramatically, and the silence and coldness of winder approaches.  In the southern hemisphere we have the opposite effect, thus teaching us about the polarity of this sign of death and re-birth.

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Even in ancient Egypt the zodiacal sign rising during May was Scorpius, which for them heralded the blazing heat of the Sun as it scorched the earth and withered the plants, and brought migrations of scorpions into their midst with their deadly poison.  What we can conclude from each scenario is that Scorpio is a time of extreme change.

This is known as a fixed, water sign.  Cancer was the first, implying an original water source giving forth expression of feelings.  Scorpio represents water that can become solid through freezing, or even stagnant through lack of movement such as murky, swampy water, or perhaps deep water appearing tranquil on the surface yet concealing great turbulence farther down due to earth tremors or even volcanic activity.  These signatures can translate into the personality of a Scorpio as introversion, reserve and depth of strong feelings, or even a certain impenetrable quality difficult for others to perceive and completely understand.

Those born during this time of year with their Sun sign in Scorpio have the directive of first discovering the hidden depths of subconscious feelings and patterns acquired early in life that are often the frozen constellations of ancestral patterns which have long been buried and left to sit somewhere deep in the collective unconscious.  As these feelings and patterns emerge into the psyche of the Scorpio individual they then have the task of separating their conscious self from these ‘complexes’.  This may involve a separation from certain key members of their family of origin, and later experiences involving their intimate partners where they will also have to deal with these issues revolving around the taboo areas of life; money, sex, and power.  This journey, almost always involving both the simultaneous urge to merge, and the equally strong urge to separate, will take them into various life-altering dramas that are intense, confrontational, and ultimately transformative.

What is meant by transformation?  This is a term that we find associated with Scorpio over and over again.  According to Webster’s, ‘trans’ means ‘across’ or ‘through’.  Perhaps Scorpio must journey across one form to another, or through one form to another.  Transform in Webster’s is defined as changing form, appearance, or structure.  There is no particular ethic or moral code implied in this term.  A Scorpio can choose to make whatever change of form, structure, or appearance they so desire.  Yet the symbolism of Scorpio, from an astrological perspective, has come to imply a movement of consciousness that evolves from the most ancient and primal—the Scorpion and the Snake—to the most mystical and spiritual—the mythical ‘Phoenix Bird’.  To understand this we need to go back in time to ancient origins.

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Ancient Stories and Symbols

The common thread running through Babylonian, Sumerian, Egyptian, and Greek tales of Scorpio was always one of connecting the sign with the ‘Underworld’ whereby a personally painful journey forced the hero or heroine to confront the demonic and thus find from that descent into the darkness and depths a return upwards, again, towards the light and resurrection.  Much of this occult wisdom was embodied in a four-fold process involving first anger (the Scorpion and it’s sting), then introspection (the lizard or snake who moves between the inner earth and the outer realm), the rebirth process (the soaring eagle’s flight towards the Sun), and ending in the realm of some kind of Holy Spirit (the white-winged dove and/or the mythical Phoenix bird rising reborn from it’s own self-made funeral pyre).

 

We see this transformational journey in the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh when he encountered the Scorpion-men whose stare would strike death into those who looked deeply into their eyes.  They guarded Mashu, the great twin-peaked mountain which, in turn, guarded the rising and setting of the Sun.  In order for him to ‘pass through’ he had to first journey deep into the darkness for 12 leagues (a period of astronomical time).  His feelings of oppression were enormous as were the feelings of being abandoned.  Yet Gilgamesh, who symbolizes the individual’s Solar/heroic journey, kept his strength, courage, and survived his tribulations emerging after 11 leagues to see the light of dawn, and after the 12th league finally found himself in the garden of the gods.  The inner meaning of this tale implies a soul’s need to face the journey of descent into the unconscious with courage and strength in order to appreciate more fully the light of consciousness once their perils are over.  Reflecting through hindsight brings the realization that the difficulties one passes through are often what are needed to grow and mature.

Three other rich archetypal myths involve this descent into the ‘underworld’, but unlike the lone journey of Gilgamesh they involve a partner with whom the journeyer is closely paired.  In one story Ishtar journeys deep into the bowels of the underworld to find her love Tammuz, in another Kore/Persephone is abducted into the underworld by Hades/Pluto, and in the third Orpheus descends into the underworld to reclaim his beloved bride, Eurydice.

All of these mythic stories repeat common themes about Scorpio involving the paradox of the desire to merge, and the necessity to separate so that the individual is forced to master their inner emotional life.  The initial bond with one of the parents may have kept them under that parent’s deliberate control.  Later, through partnership they must struggle not to repeat that pattern and learn the lesson of gaining personal control in the face of deep emotional bonding.

 

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The young and lovely Persephone (Kore) was snatched from her dream-like existence with her mother, Demeter by Pluto (Hades) and taken to his deep, mysterious world.  This was a world of raw and primal sexuality, as well as a new kind of bonding with her masculine counterpart.  In truth she gained the power of becoming a queen in this kingdom, while in that other realm of innocence her mother raged with grief at the loss of her child.  That she felt torn between the two realms says much about the turbulent energies that Scorpios must experience in their transformational cycles.  In the story she could have returned to her mother Demeter’s world had she kept herself untainted by desire.  But she just couldn’t resist the taste of the forbidden red, juicy fruit of the Pomegranate (shades of Eve and the Apple) and thus her fate was sealed. She could return for six months out of the year to the surface world of her mother Demeter, but the other six months were to be spent with Pluto.  Interestingly, we really don’t know from the myth how Persephone felt about this arrangement, but we get hints that perhaps she enjoyed her growing power as Hades’ queen when we go to the next story of Orpheus.

 

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In this tale the mesmerizing and talented Orpheus falls deeply in love with Eurydice, and they become bonded through marriage.  In one version she is bitten by poisonous snakes and is taken from his side into the underworld.  His passion, bordering on obsession, compels him to pursue her into that other realm to plead for her return.  He meets and charms both Persephone and Pluto, and now we see Persephone as a mature woman equal to her mate.  But Orpheus, like those struck by the lightening of early adult love, cannot fathom a life without his beloved.  His pleadings are acknowledged and he is allowed to escort Eurydice up and out.  Sadly, he does not trust enough to believe that she is right behind him as they are both about to emerge from the underworld.  He has been warned that he cannot look back, but he does, so back into the Plutonian world she goes.

These mighty operatic dramas often fill the lives of those born with Scorpion planets highly stressed, for transformation involving such turbulent energies is part of the separation and regenerative processes whereby they evolve.  Scorpio just doesn’t do things half-way; it’s all or nothing, and the swings between these two polarities are both extreme and intense.

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The Constellation of Scorpio

To the ancients this was one of the largest constellations with the curved tail of the scorpion, poised to sting, containing 62 visible stars including the brightest, Antares, meaning ‘like Mars’ or ‘rival of Mars’ according to the Greeks.

Antares is truly a giant star, 400 light years from our own Sun, and several hundred times its size.  Its volume is a billion times that of our Sun, yet a small companion, Antares B, just visible with a small telescope, is 100 times smaller, and is green in color.  This is part of the mystery, again, of this sign. Antares, one of the four royal stars marking the equinoxes and solstices, is considered the heart of the scorpion, and the Greeks believed its character to be a combination of the planets Mars and Jupiter; warlike, impulsive, and potentially dangerous.  They felt that anyone born with this star prominent in their birth map would achieve great honor through violence, yet if the star was combined with the Moon, they would find favor in business and domestic matters, and also show an interest in philosophy.

The ancient astronomer/astrologers felt most of the stars of Scorpio to be ominous in energies.  Today we know that this part of space contains the strongest X-ray source in the celestial sky, including Scorius X-1, a binary star.  These x-rays are caused by an acceleration of gas moving to speeds of light and streaming into intense gravitational and magnetic fields.

Interestingly, the boundaries of Scorpio were redrawn in 1928, just before the discovery of Pluto, Scorpio’s more modern ruler, so that today the Sun spends only 9 brief days each year passing through the stars of this constellation, while spending the remaining two-thirds of the month in the constellation of Ophiucus.  And, of course, now astronomers (well, a few!) have demoted Pluto from planetary status to some sub-group. Does this mean that our planetary consciousness no longer has struggles with money, sex, power, and death?  Hmmm…. Or is this called major denial by the plutocracy?

The Constellation of Ophiucus

This constellation actually sits above Scorpio slightly and today, because of the precession of the equinoxes, the Sun actually spends a great deal of time passing through it.  The ancients named it thus because to them it was an image of Asclepius, the healer and honor student of Chiron, wrestling with a giant serpent.  Symbolized here is a process.  In order to get from Scorpio to Sagittarius one must wrestle with this serpent power, and gain greater knowledge and control of the secrets of life and death which this serpent holds.

 

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Serpent Wisdom is a very specific kind of knowing.  This wisdom can only be gained through the realm of feelings (water), and is not really accessible to the left brain of logic.  It is feminine wisdom, the chthonic, mysterious, dark, underworld side of the feminine that holds the keys to life, death, sex, and transformation whereby the active Shakti energy of the Devine Mother is released at the base of the spine, and travels upwards towards the crown chakra.  This vital, animating force is within every human being, but is not awakened necessarily by sexual activity alone unless the practice is one of sustained discipline through such methods as tantra.  It requires strong intention and introspective types of meditation, trance states, shamanic practices, or the sacred use of certain psychotropic plants, mushrooms, or sometimes even snake venom to chemically alter and spark the pineal gland into opening like the lotus flower into full-blown levels of awareness beyond the experience of duality, where the field of consciousness is both creative and unified.  This is truly the birth-right of every human being.  Why have we allowed it to be shut down by those ‘authorities’ who would prevent us from knowing the ultimate freedom?

Scorpios have a penchant for being able to access these trance-like states of consciousness.  Sometimes they are born gifted with the natural awareness, but lose it through the hypnogogic down-loading of ‘civilized’ conditioning.  Cassandra, the gifted prophetic visionary, was said to have been left as a child with snakes who were fond of licking her ears.  Some children have a natural love of snakes until conditioned fear cuts them off from ther chthonic source of wisdom.  Snake goddesses were common and prevalent in many older cultures such as Crete during the Taurean Age.  Serpents have come to represent the secrets of life, death, and rebirth.  The gifts of prophecy used to be linked to Serpent Wisdom as in the Oracle of Delphi.  Patriarchal religions managed to destroy this wisdom by propagating the belief that the snake was loathsome and evil.

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Strangely, howver, the snake endures in spite of such overlays.  Take a look at the Caduceus again and you’ll see that modern AMA-type medicine continues to work with this powerful symbol even if they simultaneously prefer laboratory produced pharmaceuticals, radiation, and ‘chemical war-fare’ in their treatment of disease.  Mechanized views of reality divorce us from the primeval realm of nature, and now our bodies are treated more like bio-chemical ‘machines’ devoid of the life-force animating power of the Kundalini.  Some of this lopsidedness is now changing thanks to the merging of East-West philosophies, and quantum physics.  Bio-energetic medicine does work with this serpent life-force.

We see in all of this the movement of trans-formation at work. Scorpio is where we move between the realms in powerful and life-altering ways.  The occult wisdom of Scorpio teaches us that we must descend time and time again into the primal realms as a path to mastery before we can become fully conscious.

 

This ends Part I of our Scorpio journey.  In Part II I will look at Scorpio’s glyph, the qualities and characteristics of Scorpio people, the parts of the body ruled by Scorpio, the Shadow, Scorpio in relationship, and finally some famous Scorpio people.

http://www.bluelightlady.com/blog/2009/11/the-depth-and-mystery-of-scorpio-part-i/


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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 14/06/2012 20:10

Brilliant, mysterious Scorpio

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Have the Monarch butterflies returned yet to Mexico after their summer in Canada and the US? Are they nestled for winter’s protection in the oyamel (sacred fir) trees? The butterflies’ return, holding the spirits of departed and loved one, reminds us it’s time for Los Dias de los Muertos (The Days of the Dead) - Halloween, All Saints Day and All Souls Day.

Of the 12 constellations, Scorpio is the largest, containing brilliant stars hidden in the Milky Way. This is the way of Scorpio – hidden, a mystery to most, complex and multi-leveled. At the center of Scorpio is the giant red star Antares. During Greek and Egyptian times, temples were built and oriented around the light of Antares. It’s interesting that the constellation of Scorpio and its stars are best seen in Mexico.

Veiled in mystery and secrecy, Scorpio rules the intimacy and the life functions of sex, death and rebirth - energies of change and transformation (Pluto). Great, vast and deep changes occur during the transitions of birth and death. And, there’s a subtle psychological change that occurs through intimacy (sex) as life forces are exchanged. Eventually, through these energy exchanges (electrical energies of male/female, radiating and receptive), unity (beginning with desire) is achieved on multiple levels. Many times, a new “current” (a child) of energy is created as a result of the interchange of two people’s atomic structure. Notice the depth of reality here: atom-ic. The atom bomb was made from plutonium. The ruler of Scorpio is Pluto.

Often misunderstood, Scorpio is careful of what and to whom they share themselves. Only when Scorpio trusts will they reveal their inner realities, beliefs, understandings and sense of the world. The sign of Scorpio represents a snake or scorpion, potent with an energy coiled to strike (if needed). The snake sheds its skin often, and when it does, it is blinded. This explains the deep sensitivity of Scorpio, a sensitivity little known or understood by others. Every seven years, like the snake shedding its skin, the cells in our bodies are shed and renewed. This is ruled over by Scorpio, sign of the phoenix rising from the fire.


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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 14/06/2012 20:14

Phoenix (mythology)

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Phoenix
AKA: Phenix
Phoenix detail from Aberdeen Bestiary.jpg
The phoenix depicted in the Aberdeen Bestiary (ca. 12thC).
Mythology Eurasian
Grouping Mythology
Habitat Air
Similar creatures Fenghuang, Simurgh, Garuda, Roc, Thunderbird
Phoenix depicted in the book of mythological creatures by F.J. Bertuch (1747-1822).

The phoenix, or phenix (Greek: Φοίνιξ Greek pronunciation: [ˈfiniks], Persian: ققنوس, Arabic: العنقاء أو طائر الفينيق, Chinese: 鳳凰 or 不死鳥, Hebrew: פניקס), is a mythical sacred firebird that can be found in the mythologies of the Arabian, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Chinese, Indians and (according to Sanchuniathon) Phoenicians.

It is described as a bird with a colorful plumage and a tail of gold and scarlet (or purple, blue, and green according to some legends[which?]). It has a 500 to 1000 year life-cycle, near the end of which it builds itself a nest of twigs that then ignites; both nest and bird burn fiercely and are reduced to ashes, from which a new, young phoenix or phoenix egg arises, reborn anew to live again. The new phoenix is destined to live as long as its old self. In some stories, the new phoenix embalms the ashes of its old self in an egg made of myrrh and deposits it in the Egyptian city of Heliopolis (literally "sun-city" in Greek). It is said that the bird's cry is that of a beautiful song. The Phoenix's ability to be reborn from its own ashes implies that it is immortal, though in some stories the new Phoenix is merely the offspring of the older one. In very few stories they are able to change into people.

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History of the myth

The ancient Greek historian Herodotus gave the following account of the phoenix in the fifth century BC while describing the animals of Egypt:

Another sacred bird is the one called the phoenix. Now, I have not actually seen a phoenix, except in a painting, because they are quite infrequent visitors to the country; in fact, I was told in Heliopolis that they appear only at 500-year intervals. They say that it is the death of a phoenix's father which prompts its visit to Egypt. Anyway, if the painting was reliable, I can tell you something about the phoenix's size and qualities, namely that its feathers are partly gold but mostly red, and that in appearance and size it is most like an eagle. There is a particular feat they say the phoenix performs; I do not believe it myself, but they say that the bird sets out from its homeland in Arabia on a journey to the sanctuary of the sun, bringing its father sealed in myrrh, and buries its father there.[1]

The Roman poet Ovid wrote the following about the phoenix:

Most beings spring from other individuals; but there is a certain kind which reproduces itself. The Assyrians call it the Phoenix. It does not live on fruit or flowers, but on frankincense and odoriferous gums. When it has lived five hundred years, it builds itself a nest in the branches of an oak, or on the top of a palm tree. In this it collects cinnamon, and spikenard, and myrrh, and of these materials builds a pile on which it deposits itself, and dying, breathes out its last breath amidst odors. From the body of the parent bird, a young Phoenix issues forth, destined to live as long a life as its predecessor. When this has grown up and gained sufficient strength, it lifts its nest from the tree (its own cradle and its parent's sepulchre), and carries it to the city of Heliopolis in Egypt, and deposits it in the temple of the Sun.[2]

The phoenix or firebird originated in ancient mythology and has gone through a variety of representations in art/literature, ranging from being fully birdlike to having the head of a dog and suckling its young. Typically, it is considered benevolent, but some tales suggest that humans are not always safe around it.

The Bennu-bird

Flavius Philostratus (c. AD 170), who wrote the biography Life of Apollonius of Tyana, refers to the phoenix as a bird living in India, but sometimes migrating to Egypt every five hundred years. His account is clearly inspired by Garuda, the bird of the Hindu god Vishnu. He considered the bird as an emanation of sunlight, being in appearance and size much like an eagle. His contemporary Lactantius is probably the author who wrote the longest poem on the famous bird. Although descriptions (and life-span) vary, the Egyptian phoenix (Bennu bird) became popular in early Christian art, literature and Christian symbolism, as a symbol of Christ representing his resurrection, immortality, and life-after-death. One of the Early Church Fathers, Clement, related the following regarding the Phoenix in chapter 25 of the First Epistle of Clement:

Let us consider that wonderful sign [of the resurrection] which takes place in Eastern lands, that is, in Arabia and the countries round about. There is a certain bird which is called a phoenix. This is the only one of its kind, and lives five hundred years. And when the time of its dissolution draws near that it must die, it builds itself a nest of frankincense, and myrrh, and other spices, into which, when the time is fulfilled, it enters and dies. But as the flesh decays a certain kind of worm is produced, which, being nourished by the juices of the dead bird, brings forth feathers. Then, when it has acquired strength, it takes up that nest in which are the bones of its parent, and bearing these it passes from the land of Arabia into Egypt, to the city called Heliopolis. And, in open day, flying in the sight of all men, it places them on the altar of the sun, and having done this, hastens back to its former abode. The priests then inspect the registers of the dates, and find that it has returned exactly as the five hundredth year was completed.

Michael W. Holmes points out that early Christian writers justified their use of this myth because the word appears in Psalm 92:12 (LXX Psalm 91:13), but in that passage it actually refers to a palm tree, not a mythological bird.[3] However, it was the flourishing of Christian Hebraist interpretations of Job 29:18 that brought the Joban phoenix to life for Christian readers of the seventeenth century. At the heart of these interpretations is the proliferation of richly complementary meanings that turn upon three translations of the word chol (חול) – as phoenix, palm tree, or sand – in Job 29:18.[4]

The phoenix on top of Kinkaku-ji temple, Kyoto, Japan

Origins

Originally, the phoenix was identified by the Egyptians as a stork or heron-like bird called a benu, known from the Book of the Dead and other Egyptian texts as one of the sacred symbols of worship at Heliopolis, closely associated with the rising sun and the Egyptian sun-god Ra.

The Greeks subsequently pictured the bird more like a peacock or an eagle and identified it with their own word phoenix (Φοίνιξ), meaning the color purple-red or crimson (cf. Phoenicia) or a palm tree. According to the Greek mythology the phoenix lived in Phoenicia next to a well. At dawn, it bathed in the water of the well, and the Greek sun-god Helios stopped his chariot (the sun) in order to listen to its song.

Correspondent and similar mythical creatures

Phoenix on the portal of Nadir Divan-Beghi madrasah, Bukhara, Uzbekistan (part of Lyab-i Hauz complex)
The Fenghuang (Chinese Phoenix) at the Summer Palace, Beijing, China
Terracotta Phoenix head used as architectural decoration, from the 14th-15th century Trần-Hồ dynasty in Vietnam

In Persian mythology, Simurgh (Persian: سيمرغ, Middle Persian: senmurv) was a winged creature in the basic shape of a peacock, gigantic enough to carry off an elephant or a whale, but also endued with the head of a dog and the claws of a lion. The Simurgh appears in Iranian literary classics such as Farid ud-Din Attar's Conference of the Birds as instructor and birds leader, and in Ferdowsi's epic Shahnameh (The Book of Kings), in which also the Huma bird appears as the presumed "bird of paradise".

Indian mythology tells of Garuda, a large mythical bird or bird-like creature and lesser Hindu divinity, usually forming the mount of the God Vishnu. Avalerion is an Indian magic bird that drowns itself once it has laid its eggs.

In China, the phoenix is called the businiao (不死鳥; literally "immortal bird"), whereas the fenghuang (鳳凰) is a mythical bird of local Chinese origin, similar to the phoenix.[5] It is imagined as a composite of many birds, or even as comprising some body part of a snake, a fish etc. It is one of the most-respected legendary creatures in China and the feminine counterpart to the dragon.[6] Its rare appearance is said to foreshadow a great event or bear testimony to the greatness of a ruler.[6]

In Japan, the phoenix is called fushichō (不死鳥?), literally "immortal bird", and the local parallel is called hō-ō (kanji: 鳳凰).

In Korea, the phoenix is called bulsajo (Hanja:不死鳥 Hangul:불사조) literally meaning "immortal bird", and the East Asian variant is called bonghwangsae (Hangul:봉황새 Hanja:鳳凰새).

In Hebrew traditions Ziz is a legendary pure bird, the protector of all birds.

In ancient Arabic tradition the Ghoghnus or Ghoghnous is a bird having some mythical relation with the date palm. The Ghoghnus is said to have laid only one egg. It lived in the Arabian Desert many thousands of years ago.[7]

Zumrud-u Anka (Zümrüdüanka), Tuğrul or Devekuşu, is a Turkish version of the phoenix. The word Anka comes from the word for "necklace", for the bird's neck is covered with white feathers forming like a necklace.

In Russian folklore, the phoenix appears as the Zhar-Ptitsa (Жар-Птица), or firebird, subject of the famous 1910 ballet score by Igor Stravinsky.

Kokko is a mythical bird of iron and fire from Finnish folklore, Turul is the correspondent in the myths of the Magyars. Adarna may be considered a Philippine version of the phoenix.

Modern symbolism

The Phoenix represented in the 60 years of peace coin of Belgium
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The constellation Phoenix, was introduced in the late 16th century by sailors organized by Petrus Plancius, probably one of Keyser or de Houtman and displayed on a globe from 1597 created by Hondius.

The phoenix has long been presented as a symbol of rebirth, immortality, and renewal. In modern Greece, the phoenix became established as a symbol of the nation's rebirth during the Greek War of Independence. It was first used in the flags of Alexander Ypsilantis, and was chosen as the official emblem of the Provisional Government (1828–1832) by Governor John Capodistria, who also named the first modern Greek currency "phoenix". Despite being replaced by a Germanic royal Coat of Arms, it remained a popular symbol, and was used again in the 1930s by the Second Hellenic Republic. However, its use by the military junta of 1967-1974 made it extremely unpopular, and it has almost disappeared from use after 1974, with the notable exception of the Order of the Phoenix, the country's second-highest award.

Likewise Lebanon, and Beirut in particular, is often depicted symbolically as a phoenix bird having been destroyed and rebuilt 7 times during its long history. The Belgian € 10 silver coin, commemorating sixty years of peace, depicts the phoenix as a representation of a new Europe, post 1945. Also the Iranian 500 rial coins issued since 2004 have an image of a phoenix on the reverse.

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In the course of the colonization of Northern America a number of cities have received the name of Phoenix or have been associated with its symbolism. Phoenix, the capital of Arizona, was so named as it was built on the ruins of the Hohokam civilization that had existed on the site centuries before. The phoenix became the official symbol of Atlanta, Georgia in 1888 because it was "reborn" from the ashes after it was burned down in the American Civil War.[8] The American Chemical Society uses a Phoenix rising from its own ashes as a logo. The logo is a symbolism for change, the essence of the study of chemistry; the science of interactions and changes.

In politics, the phoenix was sometimes used as a symbol

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 14/06/2012 20:24

Constelación Phoenix

15.02.2011 19:54

 

¿Qué es una constelación?

Son grupos de estrellas que no tienen necesariamente vínculos físicos o de proximidad y que son consideradas en conjunto para facilitar su reconocimiento.


Desde la antigüedad, los pueblos orientales, los griegos, los latinos, etc., atribuyeron a cada constelación semblanzas humanas o animales. Así tenemos la Osa Mayor, la Osa Menor, Hércules, Andrómeda, los Lebreles, etc. Se trata de figuras que no son completamente abstractas, pero que pueden lograrse, con un poco de imaginación, uniendo idealmente por medio de segmentos, las estrellas que forman parte de la constelación.

El primero en agrupar orgánicamente las estrellas en las constelaciones fue el astrónomo Claudio Tolomeo en su obra, el "Almagesto".


Entre 1922 y 1928, todo este material fue ordenado por la Unión Astronómica Internacional (IAU), que ha subdividido a todas las estrellas de la esfera celeste en 88 constelaciones, estableciendo nombres y límites.

A causa del movimiento de revolución de la Tierra alrededor del Sol, la posición de las

constelaciones cambia ligeramente de noche en noche: por consiguiente, en lo que respecta a cada lugar de la Tierra, existen constelaciones que son típicas de cada estación.

 

 

Phoenix (mitología)

Phoenix o Fénix representa al ave legendaria que vivía en Arabia. Según la tradición, se consumía por acción del fuego cada 500 años, y una nueva y joven surgía de sus cenizas. En la mitología egipcia, el ave fénix representaba el Sol, que muere por la noche y renace por la mañana. La tradición cristiana primitiva adoptaba al ave fénix como símbolo a la vez de la inmortalidad y de la resurrección. Se le ha visto una relación con el pájaro de fuego de la mitología aborigen americana.

 

 

Constelación Phoenix

Phoenix o el ave fénix, se trata de una pequeña constelación de unos 450º cuadrados situada en el hemisferio sur que cruza el paralelo austral de 50º, implica por tanto, que es observable en el hemisferio sur desde los meses de Julio hasta Enero; en cambio, para los habitantes del hemisferio norte es visible únicamente durante los meses de Octubre y Noviembre. Esta constelación formada por 106 estrellas.

 

 La constelación de Phoenix (Phe) se halla a menos de 10º del polo sur galáctico de nuestra galaxia, la Vía Láctea, por tanto, podemos observar muy pocas estrellas y campos estelares pobres sin cúmulos estelares y con una cierta cantidad de galaxias.

 Limita al norte con las constelaciones de Fornax (For) y Scultor (Scl) donde se halla en polo sur de la Vía Láctea; al este con la constelación de Grux (Gru); al sur con Tucana (Tuc) y al oeste con la constelación de Eridianus (Eri)

 -Alfa, a; denominada Ankaa, con una magnitud de 2,40 es de color anaranjado o tipo espectral K, se halla a 77 años luz y nos revela que la estrella es 50 veces más luminosa que el Sol. Se localiza en el norte de la constelación cerca de Scultor.

-Beta, b; con una magnitud de 3,3, se halla a 180 años luz, su color es anaranjado de tipo K0, es 25 veces más luminosa que nuestro Sol.  Se trata de una doble visual separadas ambas componentes 1,3" de arco. Se localiza en el centro de la constelación.

 -Gamma, g; estrella anaranjada, de espectro K, cuya magnitud es de 3,44 que se halla a 234 años luz de nosotros; es una gigante anaranjada 185 veces más luminosa que nuestro Sol.

- Delta, d; estrella naranja de espectro K de magnitud 3,94 que se halla a 147 años luz y es 45 veces más luminosa que nuestro Sol. Se localiza al este de la constelación cerca de Eridianus.

 

 

Opinión personal

Este trabajo me ha parecido interesante ya que me parece muy bonito el tema de la astronomia aunque luego cuando te pones a mirar el cielo te resulte muy dificil de ver las constelaciones. He elegido esta en concreto por varias razones: 

- Al ver el nombre me resulto atractivo ya que el ave fénix es una animal mitologico que dice que renace de sus cenizas ( o eso tengo yo entendido) y eso me parece muy interesante.

- Nunca había escucho hablar de esa constelación y me ha parecido interesnte saber acerca de esta.

- Porque al buscar información la que he encontrado me ha parecido llamativa.

Al final he aprendido algo más de constelaciones y mitología y me ha llevado a aprender cosas que no conocía de estas.

 

 

 

Manuel Jesús Castillo Castillo 1ºBach B

 

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P H O E N I X

 

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Mitología de Phoenix

       Phoenix o Fénix representa al ave legendaria que vivía en Arabia. Según la tradición, se consumía por acción del fuego cada 500 años, y una nueva y joven surgía de sus cenizas. En la mitología egipcia, el ave fénix representaba el Sol, que muere por la noche y renace por la mañana. La tradición cristiana primitiva adoptaba al ave fénix como símbolo a la vez de la inmortalidad y de la resurrección. Se le ha visto una relación con el pájaro de fuego de la mitología aborigen americana.
      La constelación de Phoenix o Fénix fue descrita por el astrónomo alemán Johann Bayer en 1603.


 

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            Phoenix o el ave fénix, se trata de una pequeña constelación de unos 450º cuadrados situada en el hemisferio sur que cruza el paralelo austral de 50º,implica por tanto, que es observable en el hemisferio sur desde los meses de Julio hasta Enero culminando en el cenit; en cambio, para los habitantes del hemisferio norte es visible únicamente durante los meses de Octubre y Noviembre culminando a pocos grados por encima del horizonte. La constelación de Phoenix la localicé desde la localidad de Son Serra de Marina (Mallorca, España) el 21 de octubre de 1989 a la edad de 23 años.

            La constelación de Phoenix (Phe) se halla a menos de 10º del polo sur galáctico de nuestra galaxia, la Vía Láctea, por tanto, podemos observar muy pocas estrellas y campos estelares pobres sin cúmulos estelares y con una cierta cantidad de galaxias.

            Limita al norte con las constelaciones de Fornax (For) y Scultor (Scl) donde se halla en polo sur de la Vía Láctea; al este con la constelación de Grux (Gru); al sur con Tucana (Tuc) y al oeste con la constelación de Eridianus (Eri). 

 

Constelación de Phoenix

 

Estrellas principales

       Alfa, a; denominada Ankaa, con una magnitud de 2,40 es de color anaranjado o tipo espectral K, se halla a 77 años luz y nos revela que la estrella es 50 veces más luminosa que el Sol. Se localiza en el norte de la constelación cerca de Scultor.

      Beta, b; con una magnitud de 3,3, se halla a 180 años luz, su color es anaranjado de tipo K0, es 25 veces más luminosa que nuestro Sol.  Se trata de una doble visual separadas ambas componentes 1,3" de arco. Se localiza en el centro de la constelación.

       Gamma, g; estrella anaranjada, de espectro K, cuya magnitud es de 3,44 que se halla a 234 años luz de nosotros; es una gigante anaranjada 185 veces más luminosa que nuestro Sol.

    Delta, d; estrella naranja de espectro K de magnitud 3,94 que se halla a 147 años luz y es 45 veces más luminosa que nuestro Sol. Se localiza al este de la constelación cerca de Eridianus.

Otros objetos

           NGC 625: Es una galaxia de tipo irregular situada cerca de g Phoenicis de magnitud 11,2; de diámetro angular de 3'x1' de arco;


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Phoenix

the Phoenix


Hevelius, Firmamentum, 1690

For the legends of the Phoenix click on these pages; Theoi Project and Wikipedia. Also the entry for the Phoenix in The Aberdeen Bestiary.

The Phoenix is often referred to as the firebird, and is the constructor of a funeral pyre:

“The phoenix is a bird of Arabia, so called because it possesses a scarlet (phoeniceus = purple) color, or because it is singular and unique in the entire world, for the Arabs say phoenix for 'singular.' This bird lives more than five hundred years, and when it sees that it has grown old it constructs a funeral pire for itself of aromatic twigs it has collected, and, turned to the rays of the sun, with a beating of its wings it deliberately kindles a fire for itself, and thus it rises again from its own ashes” [The Etymologies of Isidore of Seville, 7th century AD, p.265.]

Phoenix by Johann Bode
Johann Bode, Uranoographia, 1801

“After Phoenix, the brother of Cadmus, moved from Egyptian Thebes to Syria, he reigned at Sidon and named those people Phoenicians and the province Phoenicia after his own name” [The Etymologies of Isidore of Seville, 7th century AD, p.194.]

phoenix "The phoenix built its nest on top of the phoenix date-palm. It came from Arabia; i.e. Araba/Syria - Phoenicia, present-day Syria and Lebanon. As well as 'phoenix' the word denoted 'Phoenician' and the word 'purple'. The Phoenicians traveled to the edges of the known world at the time and introduced their alphabet, based on symbols for sounds - phonetics - rather than cuneiform or hieroglyphic representations, to the Greeks and other early peoples." [AHD].

The fifth century Greek Horapollo said that the phoenix signifies in hieroglyphs a man returning from a prolonged residence abroad. [The Odyssey re-formed, Frederick Ahl] 

The figurative sense is of "that which rises from the ashes of what was destroyed" [1]. The city of Phoenix in Arizona was so named because it was reborn out of the ancient remains of the Hohokam Indian people, who once populated the land around 300 B.C - 1450 A.D. Western Apaches referred to the area as 'Fiinigis' [2].

Klein (Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary) says that phoenix is related to; "Greek phoinos 'bloodred', phonos (for *gwhonos), 'murder', phonos (for *ghenyein), 'to strike' and cognate with Latin de-fendere ..." Latin defendere comes from the Indo-European root *gwhen- 'To strike, kill'. Derivatives: bane (a cause of harm, ruin, or death), baneful, gun, defend, defense, fence, fend, offend, offense. [Pokorny 2. gwhen-(e)- 491, bhen- 126. Watkins]

The word Punic is from Greek Phoinix, Phoenician, and relates to ancient city of Carthage which was founded by the Phoenician Dido [4, p.98]. Dido fell in love with Aeneas (might be Indus) and committed suicide in grief after he abandoned her. Like the phoenix, Dido, whose epithet was 'Phoenissa' constructed a funeral pile and threw herself on the flames.

From ancient Greek times the phoenix has been associated with the bennu (benu) bird of Egyptian mythology. It is said that this identification is supported by the fact that in Greek the word Phoenix can mean 'palm tree', and so does benu have the alternative meaning of 'palm tree' in Egyptian. The ancient Egyptian benu is thought to be really the Purple Heron (Ardea purpurea) [5, p.125]. The planet Venus was called the 'star of the ship of the Bennu-Ausar' (Osiris), mentioned as the Morning Star in this invocation to the sacred sun bird. "I am the Bennu, the soul of Ra, and the guide of the gods in the Tuat; let it be so done unto me that I may enter in like a hawk, and that I may come forth like Bennu, the Morning Star" [6].

© Anne Wright 2008.

Fixed stars in Phoenix
Star 1900 2000 R A Decl 1950 Lat Mag Sp
epsilon 08PIS16 09PIS39 001 43 11 -46 01 24 -41 57 05 3.94 G7
zeta 10PIS59 12PIS22 016 34 18 -55 30 46 -55 07 49 4.13 B7
kappa 13PIS08 14PIS31 005 56 13 -43 57 26 -41 47 34 3.90 A3
Ankaa alpha 14PIS05 15PIS30 005 57 15 -42 34 39 -40 37 33 2.44 G5
beta 19PIS03 20PIS26 015 57 50 -46 59 10 -48 11 58 3.35 G4

from Star Names, 1889, Richard H. Allen

Phoenix, the French Phenix, the German Phonix, and the Italian Fenice, is one of Bayer's new figures, between Eridanus and Grus, south of Fornax and Sculptor, — its alpha, kappa, mu, beta, nu, and gamma in a line curving toward the south like that of a primitive Boat, by which figure, as Al Zaurak, the Arabs knew them. Al Sufi cited another name, — Al Ri’al, the Young Ostriches, — which Hyde wrongly read Al Zibal, perhaps a synonymous title; and Kazwini used Al Sufi's term in describing some stars of Al Nahr, the River, in which our Phoenix was then included by Arabian astronomers.

{Page 336} Others changed the figure to that of a Griffin, or Eagle, so that the introduction of a Phoenix into modern astronomy was, in a measure, by adoption rather than by invention.

But, whether Bayer knew it or not, his title is an appropriate one, for with various early nations — at all events, in China, Egypt, India, and Persia — this bird has been "an astronomical symbol of cyclic period," some versions of the well-known fable making its life coincident with the Great Year of the ancients beginning at noon of the day when the sun entered among the stars of Aries; and, in Egypt, with the Sothic Period when the sun and Sirius rose together on the 20th of July. Thompson further writes of this:

"A new Phoenix-period is said to have commenced A.D. 139, in the reign of Antoninus Pius; and a recrudescence of astronomical symbolism associated therewith is manifested on the coins of that Emperor."

Coincidently, Ptolemy adopted as the epoch of his catalogue the year 138, the first of Antoninus. With the Egyptians, who knew this bird as Bennu and showed it on their coins, it was an emblem of immortality; indeed it generally has been such in pagan as well as in Christian times.

In China the constellation was Ho Neaou, the Fire Bird, showing its derivation there from the Jesuits.

Julius Schiller combined it with Grus in his Aaron the High Priest. Gould catalogues 139 naked-eye stars here, from 2.4 to 7.

[Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning, Richard H. Allen, 1889.]

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...which happened to be the exact angle of the Phoenix constellation rising on the horizon within an hour after the "Mystery Missile launch" at sunset that day.

The moment of sunset itself would have seen the constellation making its way up right below the horizon and the cruise ship. Thus throughout the "magical" period of light giving way to darkness, Phoenix was in the process of being resurrected from the Underworld (death), which is the very essence of the legendary firebird.

And this "Underworld", taken literally, would have been directly under their feet. At the time of the "Mystery Missile" (sunset), those on Catalina Island (or the whole West Coast for that matter) would have "seen" - if they could see through the earth - this celestial configuration:

At the nadir they would have seen Argo Navis - a defunct constellation - which is a big ship like Carnival Splendor, now broken up into a number of smaller constellations, the largest of which is called Carina (meaning "keel").

At sunrise - when Carnival Splendor was experiencing a fire emergency - Argo Navis was seen "sailing" right on the horizon due south partially submerged. The Carina section was underwater or in the "Underworld".

A clear, albeit coded, message was being sent... concerning in particular the Royal Couple/Wedding. It's no coincidence that November 8 was right in the middle of a Royal Engagement period (Oct 20-Nov 16).

Prince William and Kate Middleton. Or Catherine Middleton.

"Carina" and "Catherine" are variations of the same name. So is "Catalina". "Katherine/Catherine" is also said to derive from "Hecate," a Greco-Roman goddess of witchcraft, crossroads and... the Underworld.

Catalina = Carina = Catherine = Hecate = Underworld

Not just any Underworld, but in this case specifically "Avalon". That's the name of Catalina Island's only incorporated city (in effect its "capital"). "Avalon" also literally means "apple", a fruit that hides a 5-pointed star in its core.

        

Also of great esoteric significance, "Avalon" is the name of the island where King Arthur is said to be resting and is expected to return from. In other words, Avalon is the "Underworld" of the Once and Future King. And King Arthur is of course a British king archetype.

The implication being the wedding/rise of Prince William and Kate is, whether by design or by coincidence, designed to become a modern analogue of the "Resurrection of King Arthur".

There is a sense of "destiny" permeating all this, hence also a heightened degree of predictability. I can say that having already demonstrated it publicly. And not just the timing of the Royal Engagement; I had the general time frame and symbolism down years ago. In a 2009 article "The Moonwalker Prophecy", for example:

Is this it? The long-awaited moment of the resurrection of the phoenix? A somewhat ironic rebirth of 'King William'? [...]

It's as if we are in for a major shift in the British Royal Family starting 2010 just in time for the 2012 London Olympics. [...]

A straightforward interpretation would be that Prince William will become King William in or around 2012. If not literal, then this should at least be a major symbolic storyline set to (if not already) drive key world events in/around 2010-2012. [red emphasis added]

(Note: Another/alternative scenario worth watching is the royal couple conceiving and/or having a baby in or around 2012.)

Destiny. All signs point to this royal stuff being of "cosmic" significance. But why? Any particular reason behind the "retelling" of the medieval romance through William & Kate? Just an allegorical expression or could there be some historic fact woven into the matter? The answer may surprise you...


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San Andreas

Tracing the path of Carnival Splendor from beginning to end (Nov 7-11, 2010) puts the final nail in the coffin as far as legitimizing the ominous scenario.

It went from the Port of Long Beach, right where people saw the "Mystery Missile", to the Port of San Diego...

Join the dots literally and we get the bearing ~41.6 degrees from due south, which is azimuth 138.4 deg., precisely matching the angle (= azimuth = grid based on horizon) of the brightest star of the Phoenix constellation rising below the horizon at the moment of sunset on November 8 (i.e. the time of the Mystery Missile).

Extend the line in the opposite direction and it pinpoints with chilling precision... San Francisco - our "phoenix city"!

And here comes the really ominous part...

The same "phoenix alignment line" running through California "just happens" to magically merge with the San Andreas Fault! This is of course a geologic fault widely feared for its near-certain potential to cause the "Big One" in California.

There is one segment in particular, about 130 miles (210 km) in length, where the two lines become practically indistinguishable from each other:

Chilling precision, sending an unmistakable message.

At the very least it whispers "phoenix resurrection comes with earthquake" - a warning already fulfilled at least in part via Japan. Taken more literally, it could of course suggest the "Birthquake Sequence", if it continues forward in 2011-2012, will target the US West Coast with a Big One via the San Andreas Fault. Just an interpretation, but an uncomfortably plausible one.

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COLUMBIA, LA PALOMA DE NOE
 
 

Columba (constelación)

 
Columba
Columba constellation map.svg
Nombre Latino Columba
Abreviatura Col
Genitivo Columbae
Simbología Palomo
Ascensión recta 6 h
Declinación −35°
Superficie 270 grados cuadrados
Rango 54th
Número de estrellas
(magnitud < 3)
1
Estrella más brillante α Col (Phact)
(magnitud ap. 2,6)
Lluvia de meteoros None
Constelaciones colindantes
Visibilidad En latitudes entre
+45° y −90°
Mejor visibilidad
(21:00 hrs.)
Febrero

Columba, Latín para palomo, es una pequeña constelación justo al sur de Canis Major y Lepus. Fue sacada de la constelación Canis Major por Augustin Royer, en 1679.

[editar] Mitología

Dado que fue creada en el siglo XVII, por la separación de una constelación ya existente, no tiene mitología relacionada, de manera independiente.

Puede referirse a la paloma que los Argonautas envían para determinar si pueden pasar por el estrecho del mar negro. También, es la paloma que Nóe utilizó en su arca.

Columba, la Paloma, junto al Can Mayor.
 
NOTEN EL ARCO IRIS
  Belén es una ciudad de Paraguay, Departamento de Concepción, ubicada a 21 km de la Capital Departamental, es el punto exacto por donde pasa el Trópico de Capricornio por el territorio paraguayo.

Belen Map — Satellite Images of Belen

original name: Belén
geographical location: Belen, Concepcion, Paraguay, South America
geographical coordinates: 23° 27' 58" South, 57° 15' 43" West

detailed map of Belen and near places

Google Local — Belen mapWelcome to the Belen google satellite map! This place is situated in Belen, Concepcion, Paraguay, its geographical coordinates are 23° 27' 58" South, 57° 15' 43" West and its original name (with diacritics) is Belén. See Belen photos and images from satellite below, explore the aerial photographs of Belen in Paraguay. Belen hotels map is available on the target page linked above.

http://www.maplandia.com/paraguay/concepcion/belen/belen/

 

 
La ubicacion de BELEN en el TROPICO DE CAPRICORNIO, en el contexto al PACTO DE NOE DEL ARCO IRIS, BANDERA PARAGUAYA TIENE COMO EXTREMOS EL ROJO Y EL AZUL E INCLUSO UNA ESTRELLA DE 5 PUNTAS EN EL CENTRO,   en GENESIS 9:11 es un obvio nexo CON EL GRIAL e icluso potencialmente interrelacionado con el FIN DEL CALENDARIO MAYA ya que justamente el SOL, LA TIERRA Y EL CENTRO DE LA VIA LACTEA SE PONEN EN UNA SOLA LINEA, osea UN ENLACE ESPIRITUAL CON GALATAS 4:26, justamente en DICHO TROPICO.
En realidad el TROPICO DE CAPRICORNIO ES DE SAGITARIO Y EL TROPICO DE CANCER ES EN GEMINIS en contexto a la PRECESION DE LOS EQUINOCCIOS. SAGITARIO en contexto al ARCO tiene un nexo con BENJAMIN en contexto al ARCO IRIS. Concretamente BELEN es un NEXO CON RAQUEL, LA ESPOSA AMADA DE JACOB, y madre de BENJAMIN (PEQUEÑO). Incluso detras del VIAJE A LA LUNA TAMBIEN TENEMOS EN CONTEXTO A COLUMBIA, UN MENSAJE NEXO CON EL ARCA DE NOE. Esto explica espiritualmente del porque de la ubicacion de ASUNCION DEL PARAGUAY EN CONTEXTO A LA MESOPOTAMIA ARGENTINA COMO LAODICEA, QUE ES LA IGLESIA DE LA ILUMINACION SEGUN APOCALIPSIS 3:14, en contexto a ANTIOQUIA AL SUR DEL MONTE DE ARARAT Y al norte de la mesopotamia en contexto a BABILONIA cuyos rios son el EUFRATES Y EL TIGRIS. RECORDEMOS que la antigua BABILONIA /BABY-LON/BEBE ESTABA EN EL PARALELO 33.

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Everyone watched it
Few understood it

A moment right out of "Lucifer's Destiny" (4/18/2011), prophetically involving a set of magically intertwined motifs Venus, phoenix, Royal Wedding...

It was hidden, but it was there. I saw it. I could not miss it. Now you see it too here for the first time...

As above, so below
Timing is everything...

Unmistakable, for this was not the first time a meridional alignment was used for a major "ritual" for Prince William. His solstitial birth was also celestially commemorated there via a solar eclipse...

Case closed? No, we're just getting started, we've only scratched the surface. The rabbit hole goes much, much deeper...

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Capítulo 7 

Incredulidad de los hermanos de Jesús
7:1 Después de estas cosas, andaba Jesús en Galilea; pues no quería andar en Judea, porque los judíos procuraban matarle. 
7:2 Estaba cerca la fiesta de los judíos, la de los tabernáculos;Levitico 23. 34Deuteronomio 16. 13
7:3 y le dijeron sus hermanos: Sal de aquí, y vete a Judea, para que también tus discípulos vean las obras que haces. 
7:4 Porque ninguno que procura darse a conocer hace algo en secreto. Si estas cosas haces, manifiéstate al mundo. 
7:5 Porque ni aun sus hermanos creían en él. 
7:6 Entonces Jesús les dijo: Mi tiempo aún no ha llegado, mas vuestro tiempo siempre está presto. 
7:7 No puede el mundo aborreceros a vosotros; mas a mí me aborrece, porque yo testifico de él, que sus obras son malas. 
7:8 Subid vosotros a la fiesta; yo no subo todavía a esa fiesta, porque mi tiempo aún no se ha cumplido. 
7:9 Y habiéndoles dicho esto, se quedó en Galilea. 

Jesús en la fiesta de los tabernáculos 

7:10 Pero después que sus hermanos habían subido, entonces él también subió a la fiesta, no abiertamente, sino como en secreto. 
7:11 Y le buscaban los judíos en la fiesta, y decían: ¿Dónde está aquél? 
7:12 Y había gran murmullo acerca de él entre la multitud, pues unos decían: Es bueno; pero otros decían: No, sino que engaña al pueblo. 
7:13 Pero ninguno hablaba abiertamente de él, por miedo a los judíos. 
7:14 Mas a la mitad de la fiesta subió Jesús al templo, y enseñaba. 
7:15 Y se maravillaban los judíos, diciendo: ¿Cómo sabe éste letras, sin haber estudiado? 
7:16 Jesús les respondió y dijo: Mi doctrina no es mía, sino de aquel que me envió. 
7:17 El que quiera hacer la voluntad de Dios, conocerá si la doctrina es de Dios, o si yo hablo por mi propia cuenta. 
7:18 El que habla por su propia cuenta, su propia gloria busca; pero el que busca la gloria del que le envió, éste es verdadero, y no hay en él injusticia. 
7:19 ¿No os dio Moisés la ley, y ninguno de vosotros cumple la ley? ¿Por qué procuráis matarme? 
7:20 Respondió la multitud y dijo: Demonio tienes; ¿quién procura matarte? 
7:21 Jesús respondió y les dijo: Una obra hice, y todos os maravilláis. 
7:22 Por cierto, Moisés os dio la circuncisión (no porque sea de Moisés, sino de los padresGenesis 17. 10); y en el día de reposo circuncidáis al hombre(22/7=3.14 (Numero PI). increiblemente tenemos un NEXO DE LA PI-RAMIDE TRUNCADA (SIMBOLO FALICO CIRCUNCIDADO) INTERRELACIONADO INCLUSO CON EL DIA DE REPOSO)

 
 
 
 
 
PIRAMIDE TRUNCADA DEL BILLETE DOLAR
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7:23 Si recibe el hombre la circuncisiónLevitico 12. 3 en el día de reposo, para que la ley de Moisés no sea quebrantada, ¿os enojáis conmigo porque en el día de reposo sané completamente a un hombre?Juan 5. 9
7:24 No juzguéis según las apariencias, sino juzgad con justo juicio(AQUI NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO INTERRELACIONA LA PIRAMIDE NUEVAMENTE CON DAN/JUICIO. OBVIAMENTE QUE NUESTRO SEÑOR ESTA HABLANDO AQUI DE SU ESPOSA Y DEL SANTO GRIAL CODIFICADO EN EL BILLETE DE UN DOLAR. EFECTIVAMENTE MARIA MAGDALENA, LA ESPOSA DEL CORDERO, ES LA NUEVA JERUSALEM QUE ES UNA PIRAMIDE. LA NUEVA JERUSALEM TIENE QUE SER LUZ A LAS NACIONES Y POR ESO, EN ESTE CONTEXTO, ES UN SIMBOLO FALICO)
 
MARY MAGDALENE
EAGLE/DAN/M
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ENLACES
ADAN/DAN (ADAN ESTA RELACIONADO CON LA TRIBU DE DAN. ESTO LE DA OTRO PERFIL A LAS TEORIAS DE CONSPIRACION). ¿PORQUE ADAN ESTA RELACIONADO CON LA TRIBU DE DAN?
EL MENSAJES ES OBVIO. LA TRIBU DE DAN ES UNA REFERENCIA A LA SERPIENTE, OSEA A MARIA MAGDALENA, OSEA EL GRIAL. MIRIAM DE MAGDALA ES LA NUEVA EVA. NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO ABRIO EL CAMINO AL ARBOL DE LA VIDA, EN EL CONTEXTO A SU RESURRECCION (NUEVO ADAN). FUE MARIA MAGDALENA LA PRIMERA EN VERLO A NUESTRO SEÑOR EN SU RESURRECCION.

DAN BROWN (CONEXION CON GENESIS 3:14,15/SIMIENTE DE LA MUJER Y SIMIENTE DE LA SERPIENTE)
Dan Brown
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Nombre completo Dan Brown
Nacimiento 22 de junio de 1964 (48 años)
Nuevo Hampshire, Estados Unidos
Ocupación Escritor
Género Novela
 
 
NACIO JUSTO EN EL SOLSTICIO. NADA ES CASUALIDAD. DIOS NO TIRA LOS DADOS

6. Génesis 3:14: Y Jehová Dios dijo a la SERPIENTE: Por cuanto esto hiciste, maldita serás entre todas las bestias y entre todos los animales del campo; sobre tu pecho andarás, y polvo comerás todos los días de tu vida.

1. Génesis 3:15: Y pondré enemistad entre ti y la mujer, y entre tu SIMIENTE y la SIMIENTE suya; ésta te herirá en la cabeza, y tú le herirás en el calcañar.
SIMIENTE/SEED (INGLES)
EE=33
GEMATRIA SEED=33

 






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seed in Simple Gematria Equals: 33
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7. Génesis 49:17: Será Dan SERPIENTE junto al camino, Víbora junto a la senda, Que muerde los talones del caballo, Y hace caer hacia atrás al jinete.
 

171. Deuteronomio 33:22: A DAN dijo: DAN es cachorro de león Que salta desde Basán.

NUMERO 33
 
                           PARIS, LA CIUDAD LUZ DE LA ILUMINACION (NEXO CON
 
EL AGUILA/EAGLE MUERDE A LA SERPIENTE
 
EL AGUILA/EAGLE  Y LA SERPIENTE ESTAN RELACIONADAS CON LA TRIBU DE DAN

La conexión francesa

En 1666, Luis XIV de Francia autorizó la construcción de un observatorio en París para medir la longitud. Este fue el comienzo del Meridiano Cero de París. El meridiano es una línea imaginaria que forma la mitad de un círculo máximo y une los polos norte y sur. Los meridianos son, por tanto, líneas de longitud; la latitud y longitud se utilizan conjuntamente para situar puntos en el globo terráqueo a través de coordenadas esféricas.

¡Aunque usted no lo crea, de acuerdo con «El Meridiano Cero de París» el monte Hermón y el territorio antiguo de Dan, están localizados a 33 grados de longitud de este mismo meridiano y a 33 grados latitud norte del Ecuador! El grado 33 se convirtió en una parte importante de la francmasonería, probablemente debido a la historia que se remonta a los caballeros templarios, la dinastía francesa Merovingia y su familia que tiene vínculos con los descendientes de Dan, el hijo de Jacob.

Sin embargo, los británicos serían superados. En 1675, el primer astrónomo real de Inglaterra Sir Flamsteed, estableció un primer meridiano en Londres que rivalizaría con ese en París. En 1725, Edmund Halley, el segundo astrónomo real estableció un segundo meridiano. A mediados del siglo XVIII, otro astrónomo real James Bradley, estableció un tercer meridiano. Y en 1851, otro astrónomo real Sir George Airy, instaló un nuevo equipo para medir, en una habitación al lado del equipo original de Bradley, justamente a unos cinco metros de distancia, el cual finalmente se convirtió en la base para el tiempo internacional.

Bien pronto llegó a ser claro que el mundo necesitaba adoptar una hora standar mundial para el Meridiano Cero, por lo tanto en 1884, 25 países se reunieron en Washington, DC, y votaron para aceptar el meridiano de Airy en el observatorio de Greenwich en Londres como el principal meridiano. Francia se abstuvo de votar. Hasta 1911 los franceses consideraron el Meridiano Cero como un rival de Greenwich para propósitos de mantener un registro del tiempo, y en 1914 para propósitos de navegación. Hasta este día los cartógrafos franceses continúan marcando el Meridiano de París en algunos mapas.

 

En el idioma original en que fuera escrito este folleto la palabra «Sion» se deletrea con «Z», pero en el folleto aparece con «S», indicando obviamente su conexión con el monte Hermón.

 
 






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seed in Simple Gematria Equals: 33
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Haumea's Perihelion Star Chart

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CALENDARIO COPTO (AÑO NUEVO=11 DE SEPTIEMBRE-PATRONES DE LA IGLESIA COPTA SON MARIA Y JUAN MARCOS=SEÑAL DE JONAS)-29 DE ABRIL=DIA 231=7X33-RELACION CON LA CONSTELACION DE PHOENIX
 
Efectivamente el dia NUMERO 227 (DIA DE SAN MARCOS=25/4) del CALENDARIO COPTO esta en la SEM-ANA/SEMEN/SEM/SEMITA/SEMILLA /TECER DIA DE LA CREACION/MARTES/PLANETA ROJO/SANGRE/LINAJE NUMERO 33 DEL CALENDARIO COPTO.  EFECTIVAMENTE 231=7X33. En este contexto la SEMANA 33 comienza en el dia numero 225 (CICLO SIDEREO DE VENUS=ESTRELLA DE 5 PUNTAS=ALQUIMIA), OSEA EL 23 DE ABRIL. EL 25 DE ABRIL ES EL TERCER DIA (MARTES/SANGRE) DE LA SEMANA 33 QUE CONCLUYE, INSISTO EL 29 DE ABRIL. SE REPITE EL PATRON GREGORIANO 13 DE AGOSTO=DIA NUMERO 225 Y 15 DE AGOSTO=227=22/7 (ASUNCION DE LA VIRGEN QUE ES MARIA LA MAGDALENA) QUE TAMBIEN ESTA EN LA SEMANA 33 PERO DEL CALENDARIO GREGORIANO. LA RELACION CON MARTE ESTE EN EL CONTEXTO A LA DISTANCIA DEL SOL AL PLANETA ROJO QUE ES DE APROXIMADAMENTE 227000000 KM. ESTE ES EL SECRETO DE ROSE LINE. LUCIFER/LUCERO/APOCALIPSIS 22:16 (22:(1+6)-22:7) ES EL MISMO CRISTO, OSEA UNA REFERENCIA AL SEXTO DIA DE LA CREACION EN QUE FUERON CREADOS EL HOMBRE Y LA MUJER. 22:16 ES UNA REFERENCIA A 22 CICLOS LUNARES Y 16 DIAS (666 DIAS=TALENTOS DE ORO DEL REY SALOMON=PIRAMIDE DE LOUVRE=1 DE REYES 10:14). CONCRETAMENTE EL CALENDARIO COPTO AL TENER EL MISMO PATRON GREGORIANO EN EL CONTEXTO A LA ASUNCION DE LA VIRGEN, INSISTO, ES UNA REFERENCIA AL SANTO GRIAL.
 
SANTO GRIAL (SAN JUAN MARCOS 25/4)=ASUNCION DE LA VIRGEN (15/8=MARIA MAGDALENA)
 
AMBOS EN EL DIA NUMERO 227 Y EN LA SEMANA 33
NUMERO 33 (RELACION CON EL PERIODO SIDEREO DE MERCURIO) / ESTRELLA DE DAVID / INTERRELACION CON ORION EN FUNCION AL AFELIO Y PERIHELIO DE MERCURIO
En aquel tiempo, respondiendo Jesús, dijo:
Te alabo, Padre, Señor del cielo y de la tierra,
que hayas escondido estas cosas (la Gnosis, la Sabiduría Oculta)
de los sabios (de los eruditos) y de los entendidos, (de los intelectuales)
y las hayas revelado á los niños. (A los Iniciados). Así, Padre, pues que así agradó en tus ojos."
(Mateo 11: 25-26). (El cielo y la tierra, es la alquimia, osea la ESCALERA DE JACOB. La cuadratura del circulo es el patron matematico de la alquimia y esta basado, insisto, en el numero de oro. Justamente Salomon es un tipo del GRIAL.)

"¡Oh profundidad de las riquezas de la sabiduría (sophia)
y de la ciencia (gnwsiV, gnosis) de Dios!
¡Cuán incomprensibles son sus juicios, e inescrutables sus caminos!"
(Romanos, 11: 33). (Camino es una referencia a MERCURIO y Juicio es una referencia a ORION=ESPADA. EL NUMERO 33 NO ESTA POR CASUALIDAD. ES UNA REFERENCIA A LA ESTRELLA DE 6 PUNTAS. OSEA QUE EN LA MISMA PALABRA ESTA CODIFICADA LA RELACION ORION-MERCURIO-VIA LACTEA. PENSAR QUE HAY IGNORANTES QUE DICEN QUE LOS ESCRITORES DE LA BIBLIA NO CONOCIAN EL PI. ESA ES LA SOBERBIA DEL SER HUMANO QUE SE CREE TENER MAS DERECHOS QUE EL CREADOR. ASI ESTA EL MUNDO. SOLO EN JESUCRISTO ESTA LA VERDADERA LIBERACION DE LA EGOLATRIA, IDOLATRIA Y DEL PECADO.)

 

 
ESPADA=ORION 
This shows Mercury's Inferior Conjunctions with Earth which make a triangle.

Now here are Mercury's Superior Conjunctions with Earth that make an inverted triangle.

Here is what we get when both of these synodic periods are added together.
The star of David.
33 SIMBOLIZAN A LOS DOS TRIANGULOS (INFERIOR Y SUPERIOR)

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IMPRESIONANTE NEXO DE LAS PIRAMIDES DE MARTE CON EL SANTO GRIAL-MARTE=TERCER DIA/  VIERNES=SEXTO DIA / TREINTA Y TRES (MARTE Y VENUS DISEÑADOS EN FUNCION A PHI)- DISTANCIA SOL- MARTES=227000000 KM (PROMEDIO)
GRAN PIRAMIDE DISEÑADA EN FUNCION A MARTE (SECRETO DE LA MANZANA)
 
En la pintura de Leonardo Da Vinci Maria Magdalena aparece peliroja. Incluso en LA SIRENITA de WALT DISNEY que es una ALUSION TAMBIEN A MARIA MAGDALENA TAMBIEN ES PELIROJA. Sirena tiene un fuerte nexo con el mar. La ubicacion de MARIA MAGDALENA en la PINTURA DE DA VINCI esta ubicada en el octavo lugar desde la izquiera entre 13. 8 es el numero de la RESURRECCION O EL RECICLAJE. Recordemos que el 8 y 13 son numeros de la SERIE DE FIBONACCI (NUMERO DE ORO PHI).
¿FUE MARIA MAGDALENA PELIROJA O HAY UN MENSAJE ESPIRITUAL DETRAS? Columbia, que es la paloma de Noe, segun el zodiaco tambien es peliroja.
 

70. Mateo 18:3: y dijo: De cierto os digo, que si no os volvéis y os hacéis como niños, no entraréis en el reino de los cielos.

71. Mateo 19:13: Entonces le fueron presentados unos niños, para que pusiese las manos sobre ellos, y orase; y los discípulos les reprendieron.

72. Mateo 19:14: Pero Jesús dijo: Dejad a los niños venir a mí, y no se lo impidáis; porque de los tales es el reino de los cielos.

73. Mateo 21:16: y le dijeron: ¿Oyes lo que éstos dicen? Y Jesús les dijo: Sí; ¿nunca leísteis:
De la boca de los niños y de los que maman
Perfeccionaste la alabanza?

74. Marcos 10:13: Y le presentaban niños para que los tocase; y los discípulos reprendían a los que los presentaban.

75. Marcos 10:14: Viéndolo Jesús, se indignó, y les dijo: Dejad a los niños venir a mí, y no se lo impidáis; porque de los tales es el reino de Dios.

76. Lucas 10:21: En aquella misma hora Jesús se regocijó en el Espíritu, y dijo: Yo te alabo, oh Padre, Señor del cielo y de la tierra, porque escondiste estas cosas de los sabios y entendidos, y las has revelado a los niños. Sí, Padre, porque así te agradó.
 
El rojo es un nexo con EGIPTO con fuerte nexo con HORUS. Mar tiene un nexo con los gentiles. La BOMBA DE HIROSHIMA, en el contexto al RESURGIMIENTO DEL ESTADO DE ISRAEL (SOL NACIENTE O DIA DEL SOL) TIENE UN FUERTE NEXO CON MARTE/PLANETA ROJO/HORUS. RECORDEMOS QUE JACOB/ISRAEL SEGUN EL SUEÑO DE JOSE EN GENESIS 37 ES EL SOL. EL MENSAJE DE LA RESURRECCION DE CRISTO EL PRIMER DIA DE LA SEMANA TIENE ESTE MENSAJE (RESURRECCION DEL ESTADO DE ISRAEL E INCLUSO EL SANTO GRIAL)
 
 
 
EN LA MISMA BANDERA DE JAPON ESTA MARTE/HORUS/PLANETA ROJO
 
 
4. Éxodo 10:19: Entonces Jehová trajo un fortísimo viento occidental, y quitó la langosta y la arrojó en el Mar ROJO; ni una langosta quedó en todo el país de Egipto.

5. Éxodo 13:18: Mas hizo Dios que el pueblo rodease por el camino del desierto del Mar ROJO. Y subieron los hijos de Israel de Egipto armados.

6. Éxodo 15:4: Echó en el mar los carros de Faraón y su ejército; Y sus capitanes escogidos fueron hundidos en el Mar ROJO.

7. Éxodo 15:22: E hizo Moisés que partiese Israel del Mar ROJO, y salieron al desierto de Shur; y anduvieron tres días por el desierto sin hallar agua.

8. Éxodo 23:31: Y fijaré tus límites desde el Mar ROJO hasta el mar de los filisteos, y desde el desierto hasta el Eufrates; porque pondré en tus manos a los moradores de la tierra, y tú los echarás de delante de ti.
 
Marte tiene una fuerte relacion con Jesucristo, Maria Magdalena y el Santo Grial. Marta, la hermana de Maria y de Lazaro nos da el enlace espiritual. Cientificamente la cantidad promedio de kilometros de Marte con el sol es de 227000000 de km. (227 tiene relacion con 22/7=PI). El numero PI tiene FUERTE NEXO CON EL GRIAL.
 
  • ¿HAY PIRÁMIDES EN MARTE?

     
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    ¿Porque PIRAMIDES en MARTE?
     
    Marte/Marzo es el tercer mes del calendario gregoriano y era el primer mes del calendario antiguo. En ese mes (15/3) es el DIA DE SAN LONGINO, interrelacionado con LA VIRGEN DE FATIMA E INCLUSO CON LA GRAN PIRAMIDE en el contexto al NUMERO PI, EL NUMERO DE ORO PHI y el numero 153. La VIRGEN DE FATIMA es MARIA MAGDALENA Y NO LA MADRE DE CRISTO. EL DIA DE MARIA MAGDALENA EN LA IGLESIA CATOLICA ES EL 22/7 o 22 de JULIO dandole UN NEXO ESOTERICO CON ESA REFERENCIA. "MADRE DE JESUS" tiene la connotacion de  QUE ES LA MADRE DE QUIEN ES DUEÑO JESUS.
     
    Mateo
    15:1 Entonces se acercaron a Jesús ciertos escribas y fariseos de Jerusalén, diciendo:
    15:2 ¿Por qué tus discípulos quebrantan la tradición de los ancianos? Porque no se lavan las manos cuando comen pan. (TRADICION/TRADE OF SION/NEGOCIOS DE SION/MERCADERES DEL TEMPLO)
    15:3 Respondiendo él, les dijo: ¿Por qué también vosotros quebrantáis el mandamiento de Dios por vuestra tradición?
    15:4 Porque Dios mandó diciendo: Honra a tu padre y a tu madre; y: El que maldiga al padre o a la madre, muera irremisiblemente. (LA MADRE EN EL CONTEXTO A ESPOSA DEL MESIAS FUE DESPLAZADA DESGRACIADAMENTE EN EL CRISTIANISMO) 
    15:21 Saliendo Jesús de allí, se fue a la región de Tiro y de Sidón. (SIDONIA/MARTE)
  • CYDONIA-¿HAY RELACION DE LA PIRAMIDE DE MARTE CON EL

    15:39 Entonces, despedida la gente, entró en la barca, y vino a la región de Magdala.
     
    OTRO DETALLE CIENTIFICO ES QUE AL IGUAL QUE VENUS, TAMBIEN MARTE esta ubicado en una zona aurea (numero de oro) dandole otro nexo CIENTIFICO CON EL GRIAL (NUMERO DE ORO PHI=1.618033) tan promocionado en el CODIGO DA VINCI.
  •  EL DISEÑO DIVINO DE MARTE Y VENUS, DISEÑADO EN FUNCION A PHI, OSEA A LA MISMA MANZANA. EN EL MARCO A QUE EN GENESIS 3:14 SE HACE REFERENCIA AL ARBOL DEL CONOCIMIENTO DEL BIEN Y DEL MAL Y EL ARBOL DE LA VIDA, ES OBVIA LA REFERENCIA AL TERCER DIA DE LA CREACION, EN EL MARCO A QUE EN EL MISMO FUERON CREADOS EL MAR, LA TIERRA, EL ARBOL, LAS SEMILLAS Y LOS FRUTOS. OSEA QUE LA GRAN PIRAMIDE ES UNA REFERENCIA A LA MISMA MANZANA, INSISTO, EN FUNCION A GENESIS 3:14 E INCLUSO EN EL MARCO A QUE LA DISTANCIA PROMEDIO ENTRE MARTE Y EL SOL SON 227000000 DE KM. CONCRETAMENTE ESE ES EL SECRETO DE LA GRAN PIRAMIDE, INSISTO DISEÑADA EN FUNCION AL NUMERO PI E INCLUSO PHI. EN ESTE MARCO, VENECIA ES UNA REFERENCIA A MARTE, OSEA A MARCOS.
  • EL MARTES 22 DE JULIO DE 1969, ES UN NEXO CON EL DIA DE MARIA MAGDALENA.
     
     
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    Esta es otra región de Marte, Cydonia Mensae a 33ºN y 13ºW

     

     

     
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