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The Biblical Land of Ophir (Peru), , Frances Bacon, Ben Johnson, King Solomon, and Gene Savoy

 
The possibility that Thor Hyerdahl suggests--that man traveled westward across the Pacific--might well explain the expansion of this concept from a Central American culture to a civilization of the East. Also the reverse could just as easily be true that ancient mariners have been shown to have traveled from the Old World to this hemisphere as long ago as 600 BC as demonstrated by the discovery by Gene Savoy in the highlands of Northern Peru at the headwaters of the Amazon River where he found a cave that housed three stone tablets or tables, one of which was roughly six feet long with carvings hewn into the stone in very ancient Hebrew and Phoenician that seems to say (translation of these very ancient Hebrew and Phoenician glyphs is somewhat problematic. It is estimated that they are from around 900 BC at the time of Solomon’s Temple construction, so the availability of scholars that are familiar with that old of writing is a problem so we need more research to absolutely verify the literal meaning of the inscriptions), “We have sailed across the big ocean and then traveled up this huge river (the Amazon) and we then traded for gold with these people and are going back to our home now”, or words to that effect. *
The discovery at Gran Valaya "ship" designs of the Chachapoyas from the tomb walls at "Pueblo de los Muertos"

In an article written for the journal of The Explorer's Club of New York (vol. 76, no. 4, winter 1998/99), explorer Gene Savoy recounts how he made the discovery of the symbol and described the glyph's appearance:

"At the conclusion of my 1966 expedition into the area, I reported a funerary monument near Tingorbamba [Pueblo de los Muertos].... The site was in the cliffs far above the Utcabamba River. We had found some thirty-odd anthropoid funerary coffins of mud and fiber which contained the mummified remains of dignitaries, apparently of the Chipuris culture. Further along we came across what looked like a royal cenotaph, a funeral monument erected to the memory of some titular personage. incised in the wall of one mud building we discerned two extraordinarily important glyphs. The smaller sign (8.5 inches high by 21.5 inches long) was the Babylonian hieroglyph for "ship." This compares to a figure in Unger's list of pictorial characters (E. Unger, "Babylonsches Schrifitum," Ziscar, 1920). The second glyph (14.5 inches by 36 inches in length) was also a primitive sign for "ship." The sign obviously indicated a seagoing ship with high vertical prow in the form of the Egyptian "hieroglyphic sign for God, reading neiter, he of the tree" (Margaret A. Murray, The Splendor that was Egypt, Sidgwick and Jackson, London, St. Martin's Press, New York).... What was this ancient sign doing incised on a mortuary cliff in Peru, we asked? How does one explain the conflict in chronology; i.e., a Peruvian temple built circa A.D. 1250 bearing a hieroglyphic sign dating at least 3500 B.C.? Adding to this enigmatic puzzle is the fact that this glyph for ship is found on rock art in the Dead Sea region of Sinai."


The commonly accepted theory is that the Indians of the Americas developed independently and owe nothing to outside influences before the arrival of the Spaniards. The existence of these glyphs strongly points to contacts in some inexplicable manner

Ophir was the distant land to which the fleets of Phoenicia sailed on behalf of Israel's King Solomon to acquire for him gold to build the Temple at Jerusalem. Its exact location has never been confirmed. In 1 Kings 9:26-28 we read:

And King Solomon made a navy of ships in Ezion-geber, which is beside Eloth, on the shore of the Red Sea, in the land of Edom.
And Hiram sent in the navy his servants, ship men that had knowledge of the sea, with the servants of Solomon.
And they came to Ophir, and fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents and brought it to king Solomon.


The amount of gold retrieved was extensive. Four hundred and twenty talents is about fourteen hundred pounds. Another biblical passage (2 Chronicles) suggests that the voyage round trip took three years to complete.
The land of Ophir is described variously --a place in the east, a place of rivers and mountains, land of the sun, a place inhabited where even apes are found. No one has yet found this land of legend, although many have suggested various locations, in Africa, in India, and even in the Americas.
It is believed that King Solomon sent two fleets out to Ophir: one through the Red Sea, the route known to the Egyptians, and another right through the Straits of Gibraltar. It is generally assumed that both fleets sailed to a port on the coast of east Africa. But if it is true that Hiram's ships made the voyage in no less than three years, that location in Africa does not lend itself to this fact.... Many have suggested that Peru may indeed have been Ophir. Etymologically, the names of both places may have the same meaning: Ophir, "the land of fire," and Pir-u, "the land of fire."

Epigraphy is the study of ancient inscriptions. The science of epigraphy traces origins of writing and the evolution of written or alphabetic systems. This science classifies and explains inscriptions and, in a specific sense, concerns the paleography of inscriptions.
Inscription is writing in the form of letters, of words, or of other conventional symbols cut into a permanent material to convey some information or to preserve records. An inscription is distinguished, on the one hand, from manuscript, and is distinguished, on the other, from a picture or a relief that is intended to convey information or to record events, though inscriptions often are combined with pictures or with reliefs.

See “The New Atlantis” by Frances Bacon here ..



http://thegreatskull.com/bacon.php


In 1623 Bacon expressed his aspirations and ideals in The New Atlantis. Released in 1627, this was his creation of an ideal land where "generosity and enlightenment, dignity and splendor, piety and public spirit" were the commonly held qualities of the inhabitants of Bensalem. In this work, he portrayed a vision of the future of human discovery and knowledge. The plan and organization of his ideal college, "Solomon's House", envisioned the modern research university in both applied and pure science.

There are some scholars who believe that Bacon's vision for a Utopian New World in North America was laid out in his novel The New Atlantis. He envisioned a land where there would be greater rights for women, the abolishing of slavery, elimination of "debtors prisons", separation of church and state, and freedom of religious and political expression.

Francis Bacon played a leading role in creating the British colonies, especially in Virginia, the Carolinas and Newfoundland. His government report on “The Virginia Colony” was made in 1609. Francis Bacon and his associates formed the Newfoundland Colonization Company and in 1610 sent John Guy to found a colony in Newfoundland. In 1910 Newfoundland issued a stamp to commemorate Francis Bacon's role in establishing Newfoundland. The stamp states about Bacon, "the guiding spirit in Colonization Schemes in 1610."[3]
Francis Bacon often gathered with the men at Gray's Inn to discuss politics and philosophy, and to try out various theatrical scenes that he admitted writing. Bacon's alleged connection to the Rosicrucians and the Freemasons has been widely discussed by authors and scholars in many books However others, including Daphne du Maurier (in her biography of Bacon), have argued there is no substantive evidence to support claims of involvement with the Rosicrucians. Historian Dame Frances Yates does not make the claim that Bacon was a Rosicrucian, but presents evidence that he was nevertheless involved in some of the more closed intellectual movements of his day. She argues that Bacon's movement for the advancement of learning was closely connected wit the German Rosicrucian movement, while Bacon's The New Atlantis portrays a land ruled by Rosicrucians. He apparently saw his own movement for the advancement of learning to be in conformity with Rosicrucian ideals.

In 1618 Francis Bacon decided to secure a lease for York House. This had been his boyhood home in London next to the Queen's York Place before the Bacon family had moved to Gorhambury in the countryside. Upon the passing of Lord Egerton (Lord Keeper of the Great Seal of England), it now was available for Bacon to lease it. During the next four years this mansion on the Strand (so large that it had 40 fireplaces) served as the home for Francis and Alice Bacon. Over the next four years Bacon would host banquets at York House that were attended by the leading men of the time, including poets, scholars, authors, scientists, lawyers, diplomats, and foreign dignitaries. Within the banquet hall, Francis gathered the greatest leaders in literature, art, law, education, and social reform. On 22 January, 1621 in honour of Sir Francis Bacon's sixtieth birthday, a select group of men assembled in the large banquet hall in York House without fanfare for what has been described as a Masonic banquet This banquet was to pay tribute to Sir Francis Bacon. Only those of the Rosicrosse (Rosicrucians) and the Masons who were already aware of Bacon's leadership role were invited.[3] The tables were T-tables with gleaming white drapery, silver, and decorations of flowers. The poet Ben Jonson, a longtime friend of Bacon, gave a Masonic ode to Bacon that day. He had once remarked of Bacon, "I love the man and do honour his memory above all others."

There was a depth of love by a large body of men toward Bacon, similar to some degree in the manner that disciples love a Master.This is especially true when taking into account his membership (and some say leadership) of secret societies such as the Rosicrucians and Freemasons In the inner esoteric membership, which included Francis Bacon, vows of celibacy for spiritual reasons were encouraged.

and see the play “The Alchemist" by Bacon’s friend Ben Jonson, for further clues and evidence that there was secret or esoteric knowledge that a society of brethren were custodians of but at the same time they would release that same knowledge in hidden or symbolic forms through the arts. In the play “The Alchemist Jonson makes reference to the mysterious “Land of Ophir” the biblical source of the gold for Solomon Temple and the home of the precious and powerful Ark of the Convenant that was housed in the Holy of Holies for the thirty three years of Solomon reign.

ACT THE SECOND
SCENE I: An outer room in Lovewit's House.

[Enter Sir Epicure Mammon and Surly.]

Mammon. Come on, sir. Now, you set your foot on shore
In Novo Orbe; here's the rich Peru:
And there within, sir, are the golden mines,
Great Solomon's Ophir! he was sailing to't,
Three years, but we have reach'd it in ten months.
This is the day, wherein, to all my friends,
I will pronounce the happy word, BE RICH;
THIS DAY YOU SHALL BE SPECTATISSIMI.
You shall no more deal with the hollow dye,
Or the frail card. No more be at charge of keeping
The livery-punk for the young heir, that must
Seal, at all hours, in his shirt: no more,
If he deny, have him beaten to't, as he is
That brings him the commodity. No more
Shall thirst of satin, or the covetous hunger
Of velvet entrails for a rude-spun cloke,
To be display'd at madam Augusta's, make
The sons of Sword and Hazard fall before
The golden calf, and on their knees, whole nights,
Commit idolatry with wine and trumpets:
Or go a feasting after drum and ensign....
And unto thee I speak it first, BE RICH.
Where is my Subtle, there! Within, ho!
Face. [Within.] Sir, he'll come to you by and by.

if you want to to tackle this play in its entirety you will find it here at this Alchemical web site

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/jn-alch0.html

Ben Jonson (1573-1625):

Ben Johnson On Lord Francis Bacon, 1625

Ben Jonson, after Shakespeare the most eminent writer for the Elizabethan stage, was born in 1573, and died in 1635. He was the founder of the so-called "Comedy of Humours," and throughout the reign of James I was the dominating personality in English letters. A large number of the younger writers were proud to confess themselves his "sons." Besides dramas of a variety of kinds, Jonson wrote much lyrical poetry, some of it of the most exquisite quality. His chief prose work appears in his posthumously published "Explorata, Timber or Discoveries, made upon men and matter", a kind of commonplace book, in which he seems to have entered quotations and translations from his reading, as well as original observations of a miscellaneous character on men and books. The volume has little or no structure or arrangement, but is impressed everywhere with the stamp of his vigorous personality. The following passage on Bacon is notable as a personal estimate of this giant by the man who, perhaps, approached him in the field of intellect more closely than any other contemporary.

One, though he be excellent and the chief, is not to be imitated alone; for never no imitator ever grew up to his author; likeness is always on this side truth. Yet there happened in my time one noble speaker who was full of gravity in his speaking; his language, where he could spare or pass by a jest, was nobly censorious.1 No man ever spake more neatly, more prissily,2 more weightily, or suffered less emptiness, less idleness, in what he uttered. No member of his speech but consisted of his own graces. His hearers could not cough, or look aside from him, without loss. He commanded where he spoke, and had his judges angry and pleased at his devotion.3 No man had their affections more in his power. The fear of every man that heard him was lest he should make an end.
 

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 23/12/2011 20:08
Babylon was in Peru
 
The following information deals with a conversation I had with Jan Peter de Jong and Jesus Gamarra in Graham Hancock forum related to Peruvian Alfredo Gamarra theories (Jesus' dad):


Babylon the Great is called Aram Naharaim, the city between 2 rivers. The modern Babylon has the Eufratis going through it's center, and the Tigris more than a 100 km. away, so the city is not exactly between the 2 rivers. Cusco in the past, was located between 2 rivers, Saphi and Choquechaca. Another description of the Tower and the City indicate that they were connected with tunnels. In Cusco there are many legends of the tunnels, the most famous one that starts by the Chincana grande in Sacsayhuaman and ends in Koricancha, see also:
[link to www.grahamhancock.com]

In the tablets of Marduk is written that Etemenanki will stand firm (upright)for eternity. This is the case for Sacsayhuaman till now.
Fernando de Montesinos in the 16th century, already wrote that the Incas were descendants from Ophir.

Ruth and Hyatt Verril, in their book 'AMERICA'S ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS', wrote about the measures that were using the Incas, comparing them with sacred measures in the Bible, coming to the conclusion that the garden of Eden must have been in Peru.

The 6th dynasty of Sumerian Kings, mentioned in scrolls of the Dead Sea, the ones that reigned hundreds of years, had Quechua names:
Arwi, Palakinatin, Nagislisma, Ch'ete. Gene Savoy discovered early, pre- semitic, hierogliefs, in Chachapoyas, Peru. And came to the conclusion that Ophir was in Peru.

Also there are many similarities of the early Chinese culture in the North of Peru, so the Chinese might have come from there.

The present article is based on the Theory and the investigations of Alfredo Gamarra C., whose opinion is specifically intended to demonstrate 'the Historical Veracity of the Sacred Scripts'. We, the authors of this article, Jesus B. Gamarra (the son of Alfredo) and Jan Peter de Jong, believe that Alfredo Gamarra has produced some serious and important research, offering Humanity coherent answers on it's currently unknown origins. In this particular case with regard to the first language that was spoken.

Why do we think that a first language ever existed?
Some thirty years ago, Philologist and Linguists thought that multiforms of languages existed, that is to say, they argued that languages developed parallel to the number of cultures that came up. But many diverse languages in distant and opposed continents of our planet have words that are pronounced in an identical or similar way, and also have the same meaning, there are numerous examples of this. This is undeniablely verifiable, and makes it reasonable to propose a new scientific concept in which the existance of a 'parent' singular original language, from which is derived the whole diversity of languages that are spoken throughout the world today. However, this already was established with anticipation by the Bible, in Genesis 11 vers 1: 'Now the whole world had one language and a common speech'. Therefore if one follows the Biblical reference only one common Language existed until this point of the so-called 'confusion of the languages'.

How is the confusion of the languages interpreted?
Alfredo Gamarra finds that an inadequate interpretation from the texts exists. In the interpretation of Genesis 11 vers 5, it is attributed to God that he "came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building". Supposing that 'God is the Life, intelligence, and the Power that orders and regulates the Universe', it is implicit that God is everywhere, including of course being in each one of us. Thus it is an inadequate interpretation of the 'omnipresence' of God to refer to any 'coming down to see'. We believe that this derives from the inaccurate interpretation, or rather assumption, that most scientific sources imply that the Earth has been located from the initial moment of existence to the present period in the same sidereal location of the orbit of 365 days per year. It is our contention that the Earth from it's creation has had other locations in orbits closer to the Sun. As a result of which our planet, as has been postulated in Astro-physical theory, has been parted from the mass of the Sun, from where it has originally come, developing orbits of ever greater size, until being located in the present sidereal position. The same process has happened to the moon. When the manned lunar missions returned with mineral samples it could be proved that the moon has been part of the mass of the Earth.
In fact, both were part of the mass of the sun.

Further to this is a small anecdote : Alfredo Gamarra said, ten years before the moon landings, that the moon had been torn from the earth, his reason for believing this was that the Quechua word for the moon was 'Jukk'iylla, which means literally"moon torn from the earth".
It is now thought that the moon was part of the earth while the earth was forming according to the isotopes in the soil
on the moon. that was brung back by the apollo flights, it states that the earth may have been hit by a large planet, as the isotopes are the same as what in on earth here.
We, Jesus B. Gamarra (son of the author) and Jan Peter de Jong, like to present the investigations and studies of, who in life was ALFREDO A. GAMARRA. Alfredo A. Gamarra elaborated his theory in a lapse of more than 60 years, ‘guided’ by dreams since he was young. But his proposals like 40 years ago were not within the paradigm of that time.

It seems that now the time is a lot more favorable for his ideas, and as stated above, we found a lot of elements on this message board that are explained and mentioned in his theory.

'The Temple’, the very interesting message of David ‘timebanditx’, contains the following elements that are also important in Alfredo Gamarra’s theory: Orbit change, Giant People, Gravity, Chronologies, elements which, thanks to Alfredo Gamarra, we have an opinion on. For Alfredo Gamarra it was very important to proof the existence of The Divine Creation, and his main interest was ‘The scientific demonstration of the historical veracity of the sacred scriptures’. His theory is based on a concept that we call the Cosmogony of the 3 worlds, a concept that we want to explain below:

The Cosmogony of the 3 worlds.

The Cosmogony of the 3 worlds is based on the existence of a biological zone, located in our planetary system, in a position neither very proximal nor too far away from the sun, that determinates the appropriate environment for the existence of life. This biological zone includes 3 different orbits, being at the moment our planet in third, last and most distant (from the sun) orbit of the biological zone.
In his proposal Alfredo Gamarra does not accept a stable orbit of 365 days. He indicates the existence of orbits more closer to the sun, those locations of our planet made it possible that other physic laws could exist, and one can also explain, basically because of difference in gravity, different forms of life, and ways of construction, ruins, which till now have not been explained satisfactorily, among others.

The first biological orbit.

According to the ‘Andean Cosmogony of the 3 worlds', this phase is denominated the HANAN PACHA (land of the heaven above), that was located in a orbit of 225 days per year. This is reflected in the oldest calendar of the planet, well-known by archaeology as ‘La gran portada del sol (the great door of the sun) in Tiahuanaco. In this time, because of the optimal conditions of physic laws, humanity could live eternally, did not know fatigue, stature of man was about 4m.20, man was able to fly without having wings, all this because of the small amount of gravity. Man was also able to amass stone and used a molding technology, under high temperatures. Nowadays this can be recognized in monolithic structures, in which vitrification is present. In this orbit the anatomic structure of the human being was cartilaginous, as a result of the little atmospheric pressure. Giant species of animals and plants could exist. The vegetation and the climate as it is mentioned in the Bible, was paradisiacal in all the planet.

The second biological orbit.

The second biological orbit is known as URAN PACHA (land of the heaven below). It was located in an orbit of 260 days per year, as is testified by the Tzolkin calendar, attributed to the Mayas. In this orbit humanity lost it’s immortality, but was able to live for centuries, as is told by the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls. The anatomic quality of man was semi-cartilaginous. Their constructions in stone were of cellular expression. No longer monolithic, as in the previous orbit. Because of less gravity than in the present orbit, it was possible to transport giant stones and over great distances, as for example reflect Stonehenge, Sacsayhuaman and even the pyramids of Giza. The big megalithic stones show vitrificacion on their borders, sign of the use of a technology that permitted maximum perfection in the assembly of the pieces. Giant species could still exist, as the dinosaurs and giant plants, being possible their lifes because of little gravity.


The third biological orbit.

The third biological orbit is known as UKUN PACHA (Land of the heaven inside). Also known as the SUPAYPAYWASIN (house of the demon), or the KAYPACHA (this existence). Expressed in the present orbit of 365 days as is reflected by the sacred calendar HAAB, also related to the Mayan culture. The expressions in the constructions are cellular and are obtained by technology of hammer and chisel. The expression of life is the one that we know, men of meat and bone, by consequence of the bigger atmospheric pressure and of more gravity (1kg of pressure by cm2, that means that an adult person has to support an atmospheric pressure of 15.000 kg., determining in this way physical and mental capacities). In the begin time of this orbit existed beings like Homo sapiens and Hominids. They were the evidence of man readapting himself to the new, in unfavorable way altered, environment. Orthodox History just starts here, arguing that we come from the monkeys.

Witnesses of the cosmogony of the 3 worlds.

*Legends of giants in all cultures (see for example: [link to www.giantmyth.free-online.co.uk]
*The Bible, about man living eternally and thereafter for centuries and later only for 120 years.
*The expressions in the stones of many ruins, specially in the Inca ruins. In those ruins we can recognize always 3 different styles:
1. Monolithic, vitrified (see these pictures:
[link to www.grahamhancock.com] and [link to www.grahamhancock.com] Thanks to Santha Faiia, notice the reflection especially on the borders of the stones.
2. Megalithic, with stones perfectly fitting (like in this picture: [link to www.rutahsa.com] ),
3. Small Inca stones, not perfectly fitting ( [link to www.rutahsa.com] ).

A testimony is also, that each later style shows a respect for the previous culture ( [link to www.rutahsa.com] Uran Pacha over Hanan Pacha).

Although we find these 3 styles in greater amount in the Inca ruins, they also exist in other parts of the world, for example the mayor pyramid of Giza, being the underground chamber of the HANAN PACHA, the base of the pyramid on the North side and the Queen’s room or Serdaf of the URAN PACHA, and everything after being of the UKUN PACHA. The same we find in for example Malta, being The Main Hall of the Hypogeum of HANAN PACHA (see [link to web.infinito.it] ), and the constructions over it of URAN and UKUN PACHA. In Stonehenge we find inside of the 3! circles a vitrified stone of the HANAN PACHA ( [link to www.anthroarcheart.org] ). We can evaluate many old ruins in the rest of the world in this way.

*The 3 pyramids of Giza are each one an expression of an orbit, the biggest pyramid of the actual world, representing it’s dimensions, and the other 2 of the other 2 earlier orbits.

*Mars already passed through the biological zone; it seems that there are rests of vestiges, but the present physic laws on Mars do not permit life (maybe only in the form of bacterial life).

Important elements in actual science that can confirm the theory of Alfredo Gamarra:

*The theory of the expanding earth (see [link to www.geocities.com] ), a perfection of the theory of the floating continents, indicating the existence of previous phases of the world that were smaller. Nevertheless in this theory different orbits are not taken in account. We added this factor, which can be confirmed if we apply the principle to other planets; being bigger a planet, it is more distant from the sun. This also can be confirmed by the theory of Einstein: he established that at greater speed mass increases. Planets increase their velocity of rotation when they are more distant from the sun.

*The Thermo-luminescence method to determine antiquity ( [link to www.rlaha.ox.ac.uk] ). Method that can be used to measure materials that have been heated to at least 350°C.
Stones and vestiges that have been constructed and vitrified in HANAN PACHA and URAN PACHA, are supposed to be measurable with this method. Data already exist, indicating antiquities much older of vestiges than recognized in orthodox archeology.

*Consequences for Russian astronauts of being exposed during a long time in space to the state of ungravity: their bones softened, and the process of renovation of their cells was almost zero, so one can conclude that in space, with zero gravity, theoretically life must last longer.

*The change of orbit was suddenly, with immediate consequences for climate and life on earth: The glacials Wurm and Wisconsin, whose origins are still not exactly known, have their origin in the change from one orbit to another as Alfredo Gamarra says. La Place said they were consequence of a change of axis of the Earth; scientists of a few decades ago thought, that they were slow and progressive processes, during hundreds of million of years. This is discarded by the finding of mammoths in Siberia, who were eating vegetation of tropical flora, the immediate change is determined because the food they were consuming, was found in a not digested form.

* The disappearance of giant species, like the dinosaurs, are due to a change of orbit. The reptiles that today exist are adaptations to the new physic laws

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 23/12/2011 20:09
* The species that less have been affected by change of orbit, are the marine species, because in the water the effect of change of gravity and atmospheric pressure is a lot smaller. The giant marine species (whale, sperm whale) are of cartilaginous anatomic structure, as were the human beings of the first orbit.

The theory of Alfredo Gamarra includes a lot more: having coherent answers also on the following aspects: Origin of the humanity, location of the Sacred Places of Origin, Mars, giant Monuments in general, Megaliths, vitrification, species, Location of the cradle of civilizations like: the Egyptian, Etruscan, and cultures of yellow ethnic groups, studies on the first universal language, studies of important archeological monument like the pyramids of Giza, Stonehenge, Borobudur, and Sacsayhuaman, and the location of Atlantis, to mention some of them.
the planets in time are getting more distant from the sun, with increasing mass, gravity and size, increasing also the size of the orbit (in days per year), and the velocity of rotation.

More distant from the sun means colder, causing glaciation.

In the different styles that we recognize in ruins and for example in the big pyramid of Giza, are reflected the 3 stages or orbits, being the lower, vitrificated parts of a lot of ruins the oldest part, corresponding to the first orbit where there was less gravity (and thus the stone was easier to treat with), far older than recent known cultures. Alfredo Gamarra indicated that a lot of cultures, as a sort of respect, build over the oldest constructions their monuments.
One more observation: a planet increases his rotation speed because the gravitional power of the sun has less influence when the planet is more distant from it (Einstein).
The theory says there are 3 orbits in the biological zone; before and after the biological zone there are more orbits, this happens also with other planets, in other solar systems and other universes............
We have a date that says that in 1920 John Spencer entered incognito in the monastry of Llasa, Tibet, finding some 25 sarco***os of more than 4 m. of length, some of them containing rests of humans looking like extraterrestials.

The length can also be deduced from the smallest of the 3 pyramids of Giza, being this one the representation of the first biological orbit. That normally there are no rests to be found, is because of the cartilaginous anatomic structure.
No, the quipus is not part of the documentary, but we have an interesting fact about it (for those who don't know, quipus was a communication method used by the Incas, in which they used cords with knots and different colors): The pro-dynastic cultures of Sang in China used the same method.

About your second question: Yes there are relations between Maya and Hindu it seems, Fernando LLosa Porras found all the Gods of the pre Mayas in the temple of Sechin in Peru, supposing they originally came from there. The Mayas have a lot in common with the Hindus, for example the Maya codices with the Hindu symbols, later we will give you an exact reference.

The Chacana is one of the first interpretation of the cross concept, it is the integration of 4 symbols of 3 phases, representing the cosmogony of the 3 worlds, the centre being an empty circle, permitting the orientation in the 4 corners of the world; symbol coming from the Tawantinsuyo, being a pre Inca symbol.
The real name of India is Hindi, from which come Hindu, Hindi is the same as Hinti o Inti, which in Sanskrit and American languages means Sun (Jacques de Mahieu, 'El Gran viaje del Dios Sol').

Peru in Sanskrit (and also in Guarani) means Park, Garden, Eden, Paradise.
The Easter Islands have been part of what was Atlantis, there are vestiges that indicate the same culture as in Cusco, Peru, being present in the base of the Heads (Moais), this stones are the same type of construction as in Cusco (celular, polygonal, perfectly fitting).

We dont see it as an anomaly that there are similarities, we can see it on different levels, religious symbols, construction, tipologies, language and so on.


The author of this investigation argues that the fact that the Earth has been located in orbits closer to the sun, implicated very different physical conditions to those now prevailing. That refers particularly to the Gravity Force, or 'G' as earth gravity is measured, the atmospheric pressure, another density, and therefore the existence of 'giant beings', beings relative to our current selves, and also giant animals and plants.
A.G. denominates a 'biological zone' in our solar system, located to a distance neither too close nor too distant of the Sun. Our present Humanity lives in the third and last orbit of this so called biological zone, having previously existed in two closer orbits, the first in an orbit of 225 days per year, and the second one of 260 days per year. This is testified by calendars, see "The Theory of Alfredo Gamarra"
and by the petric language of our archeological monuments, as expressed in the three major pyramids of Giza, the three concentric circles of Stonehenge, Borobudur, the Muyuc Marka, or the architectural design of Atlantis (Plato). A.G. thought that the first humanity had eternal life, living on a planet in which 'the whole of planet Earth was Paradise', located in an orbit of 225 days per year, and that the Expulsion from Eden is referring to the orbital change from that location to a sidereal position of 260 days per year, in which the first human manifestation loses its condition of immortality, and changed to a life span of several hundred years (of this there are testimonies in the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the sixth dynasty of the Sumerian Kings). Another change happens at the time of the 'confusion of languages', when the orbit of 260 days per year changes to the present one of 365 days. The location in the actual terrestrial orbit, dates from about 20,000 years ago. The adaptation of humanity to the unfavorably altered physical circumstances dates from 13 to 12 thousand years ago. Humans had a smaller body, of muscle tissue and bone, a product of the higher gravity and atmospheric pressure in this new orbit of 365 days per year. The caverns give still pictorical testimony in the rock of this time. In the previous orbit of 260 days in place of bones was a semi-cartiliginous structure, relative to that lower gravity and atmospheric pressure.

The human being of this third and final stage of adaptation, was thought to be of Hominid-like physical appearance. This is why we believe that Darwin was prompted to make a relationship connection between early humans and other primate (ape) species. We believe that the 'confusion of language' is the period after the orbital change in which humans were readapting to the new physical conditions.

Where did the first language come from?
With the 'guided' investigations of Alfredo Gamarra we believe that we can identify vestigial archeological remains to support the early Biblical scenes, for example the Tower of Babel. He is able to demonstrate with the aid of eleven existing sciences and other types of new evidence, some irrefutable, that the 'Sacred Places of Origin', or what is known as the 'Cradle of Humanity', is located in what is now the South American continent. Specifically the central axis in Peru, including present day Bolivia, as being the 'Center of the Creation'. The exact central point being what we now know as the city of Cusco. It is in this region that A.G. locates the archeological vestiges of the Tower of Babel or Etemenanki, known as Sacsayhuaman from the Inca period, the most cyclopian construction of the planet. In this respect, we, the authors of this piece, are producing a three part television documentary which will be entitled 'Etemenanki'. It is intended to release this film at the beginning of next year. In this documentary we will be verifying all the rich, and objective, information that exists to support the conclusions mentioned above. As a result of this, in proving that the geographic location of the Biblical 'Creation' was in Peru, we can demonstrate that the ancestral 'common' language of humanity comes from this region, and that in Quechua and Aymara there are, in both pure and changed ways, many of the words that comprised the 'First Universal Human Language'.

Many people, when reading this manifesto, may think that these are less than audacious opinions. However, this is not the first time that a theory has pointed to South America as the cradle of humanity. As we can demonstrate, there are data and investigations that we believe are from sensible, just and cultured personalities, whose works in the fields of Linguistics and Philology are worthy of careful consideration, from which we can distill the Origin of the First Language. We are delighted to represent those who were, in our opinion, previously unjustly underestimated and that today we can re-evaluate the meaning of the following investigations:

Onffroy de Thoron. In the 15th century de Thoron discovers surprising similarities between the language Quechua or Runa Simi (=language of man) and the Ancient Egyptian language, positing Quechua to be the prototype of the Ancient Egyptian tongue.

The Indians known as Los Indios Campas in the Peruvian Amazon, according to the versions of Spanish and Portuguese chroniclers at the end of the 18th century, who's spoken idiom was either similar, or even identical to the Ancient Egyptian language.

V. Henry, published the book "Le Quichua est il une langue aryene?" (Is the Quechua an Aryan Language?) in Luxembourg in 1877. In this work Henry sets out to demonstrate that Quechua is, indeed, an Aryan language, containing in great amount the Ar radical, and being of solar origin, and the prototype of the languages of Europe and Asia.

Jorge Philips, an highly erudite German, as his position as Director of the Imperial Academy of Sciences of Vienna affirms, wrote a theory in 1870, not only based on linguistic investigations, but also on other corroborative proofs. He said that the Arrias or Arias, were the common basis of all the European and Indian civilizations, and came from the Americas.

Philipe Marcou published in 1924 "Utilite des comparaisons entre les langues d'Amerique et langues indoeuropeenes". Marcou, finds between languages like Quechua, Aymara and Quiche much more relationship with the Indo-European languages. So knowing these American languages, one can understand without knowing them, languages from Europe and Asia.

Fidel Vicente Lopez published in Paris, in 1871, the book "Las races aryennes de Peru" in which he deals with languages like Magyar, the Pelasgo, the Vedico and the Etruscan, coming to the conclusion that they come from ancestral languages of Peru.

Juan Moricz demonstrates, in a practical way, what is indicated by the title of his book, published in 1968: 'Origen Americano de pueblos Europeos' (American Origin of European people).

Benign Ferrario, published in 1933 the book 'La investigacion linguistica y el parentesco extra continental de la lengua Quechua' ( The linguistic investigation and the extra-continental relationship of the Quechuá language). Work that leaves without doubts the influence that has the language Quechua or Runa Simi, on Indo-European languages.

Rvdo P. Dominicio. Ambrosio Morales, member of the seminary of High Studies of the Institute Arquelogico de Cusco in 1941, published the book 'Cusco ciudad Milenaria' (Cusco, City of the Millenia). Morales discovered that the first foundation of Cusco is done by cultures previous to the Pelasgos (proto-Greeks) who spoke a mother language Hebrew, Latin, Siriaco and whose origins are in the Quechua language.

Juan de Velasco, publishes in the year 1844 his book titled 'Historia del reyno de Quito' (History of the Kingdom of Quito) in which he explains that the cradle of the Phoenicians was in Peru, as a result of being descendents of the Wankás, an ethnic group of North-Central Peru.

Pablo Patron, in his important work 'Nuevos estudios sobre las lenguas Americanas' (New Studies on the American Languages) makes special and revealing analogies, concluding that Quechua and Aymara, have the same semitic origin as the Sumerian-Asirian languages.

To continue we will make reference to the studies and investigations that tie the Quechua language with the Latin through Etruscan:

Alberto Childe, in 1927, makes an Philological analysis and provides other evidences on the cradle of the Tusci, Tuskos or Etruscans in his book 'Os Etruscos na americá' (The Etruscans in America), in which he demonstrates the abundant existence of the presence of the Etruscans in the South American continent.

Mario Gattoni Celli, published in Rome 1967, his book 'Gli Etruschi della Russia all 'America'. In which he sustains an undeniable migration, when finding the prototypes of the Etruscans in America.

Natalia Rossi de Tariffi, to this day we consider this Philological investigation the most expertised, deep and coherent, with respect to locating the mysterious cradle of the Etruscans in her work published in 1969, 'America cuarta dimension, los etruscos salieron de los Andes' ( America fourth dimension, the Etruscans left from the Andes').

We also consider it very important to know that many other investigations were made on the themes of Philology and Linguistics, but also included other aspects concerning Archeology, that indicate the American location of the Cradle of Humanity and as a consequence the First Universal Language.

Arthur Posnansky, German archeologist, who after twenty years of archeological investigation in Tiahuanaco (Bolivia), finds vestiges from the time of the human origins and publishes in 1943 his work 'Las Americas son un mundo nuevo o un mundo mas antiguo que Europa y Asia?' (The Americas are a new world or a more ancient world than Europe and Asia?)

Jacques de Mahieu, a precise, contemporary investigator, indicated that South America was the true scene of the 'Old Testament' accounts, as a result of it established that important architectural details of the gothic cathedrals of the Mediterranean, have their origins in the pre-Colombian architecture of South America. In the Seventies he published 'Drakkars en el Amazonas' (Drakkars in Amazonia) and 'El gran viaje del Dios Sol' ('The Great Voyage of the Sun God', 1976).

Gene Savoy, Dr Honoris of the University of Yale, archbishop of the 'International Community of Christ' Church, discoverer in Peru of the archeological complex of the Great Pajaten. Investigator of the origin of the Egyptians in Peru, as he indicates in his work 'Antisuyo'. In 1992 he discovers in Great Vilaya, Chachapoyas Peru, lanzones of stone with hieroglyphic writings of pre-semitic data. He is of the opinion that Peru was Ophir, the distant place where king Salomon got the fine gold to constuct the Coffer of the Alliance, webpage: [link to www.genesavoy.org]

Modern tecnology is also concurrent with the hypotheses of Alfredo Gamarra. The modern discovery made by Ing. Boliviano Ivan Guzman de Rojas, who has invented a software Atamiri with which it is possible to translate up to nine languages with one translator. Being the patron based on the languages Aymara. This important fact means for A.G. no less than the reversion of languages to their close origins in Quechua and Aymara, languages that developed in the location where the 'Creation' took place, containing varied or pure, many words of the first language. This language has to be called ARAC, that means just like Adam in Hebrew, Humanity. Because of the volume of the material as to why the first language was called Arac, this will be done in a further paper. It is also significant that Graham Hancock in his book Fingerprints of the Gods recognizes Aymara as one of the remote human antiquities, something in which we also believe, besides which it is consequent that the oldest languages are not likely to be distant from the cradle of humanity.
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I skipped the part of MY own replies reaching to many similar conclusions by my own research reading about Scaling of Sauroposeidon dinosaurs and fast dinosaurs would be impossible in our gravity, changes in 02 caught in air bubbles within amber of fossilized trees; proto-Sumearian scripture found in Peru like Pokotia and Fuente Magna , quipus with Sumerian code as discovered by Gary Urton, Harvard specialist and so on

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 23/12/2011 20:11
The following information deals with a conversation I had with Jan Peter de Jong and Jesus Gamarra in Graham Hancock forum related to Peruvian Alfredo Gamarra theories (Jesus' dad):


Babylon the Great is called Aram Naharaim, the city between 2 rivers. The modern Babylon has the Eufratis going through it's center, and the Tigris more than a 100 km. away, so the city is not exactly between the 2 rivers. Cusco in the past, was located between 2 rivers, Saphi and Choquechaca. Another description of the Tower and the City indicate that they were connected with tunnels. In Cusco there are many legends of the tunnels, the most famous one that starts by the Chincana grande in Sacsayhuaman and ends in Koricancha, see also:
[link to www.grahamhancock.com]

In the tablets of Marduk is written that Etemenanki will stand firm (upright)for eternity. This is the case for Sacsayhuaman till now.
Fernando de Montesinos in the 16th century, already wrote that the Incas were descendants from Ophir.

Ruth and Hyatt Verril, in their book 'AMERICA'S ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS', wrote about the measures that were using the Incas, comparing them with sacred measures in the Bible, coming to the conclusion that the garden of Eden must have been in Peru.

The 6th dynasty of Sumerian Kings, mentioned in scrolls of the Dead Sea, the ones that reigned hundreds of years, had Quechua names:
Arwi, Palakinatin, Nagislisma, Ch'ete. Gene Savoy discovered early, pre- semitic, hierogliefs, in Chachapoyas, Peru. And came to the conclusion that Ophir was in Peru.

Also there are many similarities of the early Chinese culture in the North of Peru, so the Chinese might have come from there.

The present article is based on the Theory and the investigations of Alfredo Gamarra C., whose opinion is specifically intended to demonstrate 'the Historical Veracity of the Sacred Scripts'. We, the authors of this article, Jesus B. Gamarra (the son of Alfredo) and Jan Peter de Jong, believe that Alfredo Gamarra has produced some serious and important research, offering Humanity coherent answers on it's currently unknown origins. In this particular case with regard to the first language that was spoken.

Why do we think that a first language ever existed?
Some thirty years ago, Philologist and Linguists thought that multiforms of languages existed, that is to say, they argued that languages developed parallel to the number of cultures that came up. But many diverse languages in distant and opposed continents of our planet have words that are pronounced in an identical or similar way, and also have the same meaning, there are numerous examples of this. This is undeniablely verifiable, and makes it reasonable to propose a new scientific concept in which the existance of a 'parent' singular original language, from which is derived the whole diversity of languages that are spoken throughout the world today. However, this already was established with anticipation by the Bible, in Genesis 11 vers 1: 'Now the whole world had one language and a common speech'. Therefore if one follows the Biblical reference only one common Language existed until this point of the so-called 'confusion of the languages'.

How is the confusion of the languages interpreted?
Alfredo Gamarra finds that an inadequate interpretation from the texts exists. In the interpretation of Genesis 11 vers 5, it is attributed to God that he "came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building". Supposing that 'God is the Life, intelligence, and the Power that orders and regulates the Universe', it is implicit that God is everywhere, including of course being in each one of us. Thus it is an inadequate interpretation of the 'omnipresence' of God to refer to any 'coming down to see'. We believe that this derives from the inaccurate interpretation, or rather assumption, that most scientific sources imply that the Earth has been located from the initial moment of existence to the present period in the same sidereal location of the orbit of 365 days per year. It is our contention that the Earth from it's creation has had other locations in orbits closer to the Sun. As a result of which our planet, as has been postulated in Astro-physical theory, has been parted from the mass of the Sun, from where it has originally come, developing orbits of ever greater size, until being located in the present sidereal position. The same process has happened to the moon. When the manned lunar missions returned with mineral samples it could be proved that the moon has been part of the mass of the Earth.
In fact, both were part of the mass of the sun.

Further to this is a small anecdote : Alfredo Gamarra said, ten years before the moon landings, that the moon had been torn from the earth, his reason for believing this was that the Quechua word for the moon was 'Jukk'iylla, which means literally"moon torn from the earth".
It is now thought that the moon was part of the earth while the earth was forming according to the isotopes in the soil
on the moon. that was brung back by the apollo flights, it states that the earth may have been hit by a large planet, as the isotopes are the same as what in on earth here.
We, Jesus B. Gamarra (son of the author) and Jan Peter de Jong, like to present the investigations and studies of, who in life was ALFREDO A. GAMARRA. Alfredo A. Gamarra elaborated his theory in a lapse of more than 60 years, ‘guided’ by dreams since he was young. But his proposals like 40 years ago were not within the paradigm of that time.

It seems that now the time is a lot more favorable for his ideas, and as stated above, we found a lot of elements on this message board that are explained and mentioned in his theory.

'The Temple’, the very interesting message of David ‘timebanditx’, contains the following elements that are also important in Alfredo Gamarra’s theory: Orbit change, Giant People, Gravity, Chronologies, elements which, thanks to Alfredo Gamarra, we have an opinion on. For Alfredo Gamarra it was very important to proof the existence of The Divine Creation, and his main interest was ‘The scientific demonstration of the historical veracity of the sacred scriptures’. His theory is based on a concept that we call the Cosmogony of the 3 worlds, a concept that we want to explain below:

The Cosmogony of the 3 worlds.

The Cosmogony of the 3 worlds is based on the existence of a biological zone, located in our planetary system, in a position neither very proximal nor too far away from the sun, that determinates the appropriate environment for the existence of life. This biological zone includes 3 different orbits, being at the moment our planet in third, last and most distant (from the sun) orbit of the biological zone.
In his proposal Alfredo Gamarra does not accept a stable orbit of 365 days. He indicates the existence of orbits more closer to the sun, those locations of our planet made it possible that other physic laws could exist, and one can also explain, basically because of difference in gravity, different forms of life, and ways of construction, ruins, which till now have not been explained satisfactorily, among others.

The first biological orbit.

According to the ‘Andean Cosmogony of the 3 worlds', this phase is denominated the HANAN PACHA (land of the heaven above), that was located in a orbit of 225 days per year. This is reflected in the oldest calendar of the planet, well-known by archaeology as ‘La gran portada del sol (the great door of the sun) in Tiahuanaco. In this time, because of the optimal conditions of physic laws, humanity could live eternally, did not know fatigue, stature of man was about 4m.20, man was able to fly without having wings, all this because of the small amount of gravity. Man was also able to amass stone and used a molding technology, under high temperatures. Nowadays this can be recognized in monolithic structures, in which vitrification is present. In this orbit the anatomic structure of the human being was cartilaginous, as a result of the little atmospheric pressure. Giant species of animals and plants could exist. The vegetation and the climate as it is mentioned in the Bible, was paradisiacal in all the planet.

The second biological orbit.

The second biological orbit is known as URAN PACHA (land of the heaven below). It was located in an orbit of 260 days per year, as is testified by the Tzolkin calendar, attributed to the Mayas. In this orbit humanity lost it’s immortality, but was able to live for centuries, as is told by the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls. The anatomic quality of man was semi-cartilaginous. Their constructions in stone were of cellular expression. No longer monolithic, as in the previous orbit. Because of less gravity than in the present orbit, it was possible to transport giant stones and over great distances, as for example reflect Stonehenge, Sacsayhuaman and even the pyramids of Giza. The big megalithic stones show vitrificacion on their borders, sign of the use of a technology that permitted maximum perfection in the assembly of the pieces. Giant species could still exist, as the dinosaurs and giant plants, being possible their lifes because of little gravity.


The third biological orbit.

The third biological orbit is known as UKUN PACHA (Land of the heaven inside). Also known as the SUPAYPAYWASIN (house of the demon), or the KAYPACHA (this existence). Expressed in the present orbit of 365 days as is reflected by the sacred calendar HAAB, also related to the Mayan culture. The expressions in the constructions are cellular and are obtained by technology of hammer and chisel. The expression of life is the one that we know, men of meat and bone, by consequence of the bigger atmospheric pressure and of more gravity (1kg of pressure by cm2, that means that an adult person has to support an atmospheric pressure of 15.000 kg., determining in this way physical and mental capacities). In the begin time of this orbit existed beings like Homo sapiens and Hominids. They were the evidence of man readapting himself to the new, in unfavorable way altered, environment

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 23/12/2011 20:13
Witnesses of the cosmogony of the 3 worlds.

*Legends of giants in all cultures (see for example: [link to www.giantmyth.free-online.co.uk]
*The Bible, about man living eternally and thereafter for centuries and later only for 120 years.
*The expressions in the stones of many ruins, specially in the Inca ruins. In those ruins we can recognize always 3 different styles:
1. Monolithic, vitrified (see these pictures:
[link to www.grahamhancock.com] and [link to www.grahamhancock.com] Thanks to Santha Faiia, notice the reflection especially on the borders of the stones.
2. Megalithic, with stones perfectly fitting (like in this picture: [link to www.rutahsa.com] ),
3. Small Inca stones, not perfectly fitting ( [link to www.rutahsa.com] ).

A testimony is also, that each later style shows a respect for the previous culture ( [link to www.rutahsa.com] Uran Pacha over Hanan Pacha).

Although we find these 3 styles in greater amount in the Inca ruins, they also exist in other parts of the world, for example the mayor pyramid of Giza, being the underground chamber of the HANAN PACHA, the base of the pyramid on the North side and the Queen’s room or Serdaf of the URAN PACHA, and everything after being of the UKUN PACHA. The same we find in for example Malta, being The Main Hall of the Hypogeum of HANAN PACHA (see [link to web.infinito.it] ), and the constructions over it of URAN and UKUN PACHA. In Stonehenge we find inside of the 3! circles a vitrified stone of the HANAN PACHA ( [link to www.anthroarcheart.org] ). We can evaluate many old ruins in the rest of the world in this way.

*The 3 pyramids of Giza are each one an expression of an orbit, the biggest pyramid of the actual world, representing it’s dimensions, and the other 2 of the other 2 earlier orbits.

*Mars already passed through the biological zone; it seems that there are rests of vestiges, but the present physic laws on Mars do not permit life (maybe only in the form of bacterial life).

Important elements in actual science that can confirm the theory of Alfredo Gamarra:

*The theory of the expanding earth (see [link to www.geocities.com] ), a perfection of the theory of the floating continents, indicating the existence of previous phases of the world that were smaller. Nevertheless in this theory different orbits are not taken in account. We added this factor, which can be confirmed if we apply the principle to other planets; being bigger a planet, it is more distant from the sun. This also can be confirmed by the theory of Einstein: he established that at greater speed mass increases. Planets increase their velocity of rotation when they are more distant from the sun.

*The Thermo-luminescence method to determine antiquity ( [link to www.rlaha.ox.ac.uk] ). Method that can be used to measure materials that have been heated to at least 350°C.
Stones and vestiges that have been constructed and vitrified in HANAN PACHA and URAN PACHA, are supposed to be measurable with this method. Data already exist, indicating antiquities much older of vestiges than recognized in orthodox archeology.

*Consequences for Russian astronauts of being exposed during a long time in space to the state of ungravity: their bones softened, and the process of renovation of their cells was almost zero, so one can conclude that in space, with zero gravity, theoretically life must last longer.

*The change of orbit was suddenly, with immediate consequences for climate and life on earth: The glacials Wurm and Wisconsin, whose origins are still not exactly known, have their origin in the change from one orbit to another as Alfredo Gamarra says. La Place said they were consequence of a change of axis of the Earth; scientists of a few decades ago thought, that they were slow and progressive processes, during hundreds of million of years. This is discarded by the finding of mammoths in Siberia, who were eating vegetation of tropical flora, the immediate change is determined because the food they were consuming, was found in a not digested form.

* The disappearance of giant species, like the dinosaurs, are due to a change of orbit. The reptiles that today exist are adaptations to the new physic laws

* The species that less have been affected by change of orbit, are the marine species, because in the water the effect of change of gravity and atmospheric pressure is a lot smaller. The giant marine species (whale, sperm whale) are of cartilaginous anatomic structure, as were the human beings of the first orbit.

The theory of Alfredo Gamarra includes a lot more: having coherent answers also on the following aspects: Origin of the humanity, location of the Sacred Places of Origin, Mars, giant Monuments in general, Megaliths, vitrification, species, Location of the cradle of civilizations like: the Egyptian, Etruscan, and cultures of yellow ethnic groups, studies on the first universal language, studies of important archeological monument like the pyramids of Giza, Stonehenge, Borobudur, and Sacsayhuaman, and the location of Atlantis, to mention some of them.
the planets in time are getting more distant from the sun, with increasing mass, gravity and size, increasing also the size of the orbit (in days per year), and the velocity of rotation.

More distant from the sun means colder, causing glaciation.

In the different styles that we recognize in ruins and for example in the big pyramid of Giza, are reflected the 3 stages or orbits, being the lower, vitrificated parts of a lot of ruins the oldest part, corresponding to the first orbit where there was less gravity (and thus the stone was easier to treat with), far older than recent known cultures. Alfredo Gamarra indicated that a lot of cultures, as a sort of respect, build over the oldest constructions their monuments.
One more observation: a planet increases his rotation speed because the gravitional power of the sun has less influence when the planet is more distant from it (Einstein).
The theory says there are 3 orbits in the biological zone; before and after the biological zone there are more orbits, this happens also with other planets, in other solar systems and other universes............
We have a date that says that in 1920 John Spencer entered incognito in the monastry of Llasa, Tibet, finding some 25 sarco***os of more than 4 m. of length, some of them containing rests of humans looking like extraterrestials.

The length can also be deduced from the smallest of the 3 pyramids of Giza, being this one the representation of the first biological orbit. That normally there are no rests to be found, is because of the cartilaginous anatomic structure.
No, the quipus is not part of the documentary, but we have an interesting fact about it (for those who don't know, quipus was a communication method used by the Incas, in which they used cords with knots and different colors): The pro-dynastic cultures of Sang in China used the same method.

About your second question: Yes there are relations between Maya and Hindu it seems, Fernando LLosa Porras found all the Gods of the pre Mayas in the temple of Sechin in Peru, supposing they originally came from there. The Mayas have a lot in common with the Hindus, for example the Maya codices with the Hindu symbols, later we will give you an exact reference.

The Chacana is one of the first interpretation of the cross concept, it is the integration of 4 symbols of 3 phases, representing the cosmogony of the 3 worlds, the centre being an empty circle, permitting the orientation in the 4 corners of the world; symbol coming from the Tawantinsuyo, being a pre Inca symbol.
The real name of India is Hindi, from which come Hindu, Hindi is the same as Hinti o Inti, which in Sanskrit and American languages means Sun (Jacques de Mahieu, 'El Gran viaje del Dios Sol').

Peru in Sanskrit (and also in Guarani) means Park, Garden, Eden, Paradise.
The Easter Islands have been part of what was Atlantis, there are vestiges that indicate the same culture as in Cusco, Peru, being present in the base of the Heads (Moais), this stones are the same type of construction as in Cusco (celular, polygonal, perfectly fitting).

We dont see it as an anomaly that there are similarities, we can see it on different levels, religious symbols, construction, tipologies, language and so on.


The author of this investigation argues that the fact that the Earth has been located in orbits closer to the sun, implicated very different physical conditions to those now prevailing. That refers particularly to the Gravity Force, or 'G' as earth gravity is measured, the atmospheric pressure, another density, and therefore the existence of 'giant beings', beings relative to our current selves, and also giant animals and plants.
A.G. denominates a 'biological zone' in our solar system, located to a distance neither too close nor too distant of the Sun. Our present Humanity lives in the third and last orbit of this so called biological zone, having previously existed in two closer orbits, the first in an orbit of 225 days per year, and the second one of 260 days per year. This is testified by calendars, see "The Theory of Alfredo Gamarra"
and by the petric language of our archeological monuments, as expressed in the three major pyramids of Giza, the three concentric circles of Stonehenge, Borobudur, the Muyuc Marka, or the architectural design of Atlantis (Plato). A.G. thought that the first humanity had eternal life, living on a planet in which 'the whole of planet Earth was Paradise', located in an orbit of 225 days per year, and that the Expulsion from Eden is referring to the orbital change from that location to a sidereal position of 260 days per year, in which the first human manifestation loses its condition of immortality, and changed to a life span of several hundred years (of this there are testimonies in the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the sixth dynasty of the Sumerian Kings). Another change happens at the time of the 'confusion of languages', when the orbit of 260 days per year changes to the present one of 365 days. The location in the actual terrestrial orbit, dates from about 20,000 years ago. The adaptation of humanity to the unfavorably altered physical circumstances dates from 13 to 12 thousand years ago. Humans had a smaller body, of muscle tissue and bone, a product of the higher gravity and atmospheric pressure in this new orbit of 365 days per year. The caverns give still pictorical testimony in the rock of this time. In the previous orbit of 260 days in place of bones was a semi-cartiliginous structure, relative to that lower gravity and atmospheric pressure.

The human being of this third and final stage of adaptation, was thought to be of Hominid-like physical appearance. This is why we believe that Darwin was prompted to make a relationship connection between early humans and other primate (ape) species. We believe that the 'confusion of language' is the period after the orbital change in which humans were readapting to the new physical conditions.

Where did the first language come from?
With the 'guided' investigations of Alfredo Gamarra we believe that we can identify vestigial archeological remains to support the early Biblical scenes, for example the Tower of Babel. He is able to demonstrate with the aid of eleven existing sciences and other types of new evidence, some irrefutable, that the 'Sacred Places of Origin', or what is known as the 'Cradle of Humanity', is located in what is now the South American continent. Specifically the central axis in Peru, including present day Bolivia, as being the 'Center of the Creation'. The exact central point being what we now know as the city of Cusco. It is in this region that A.G. locates the archeological vestiges of the Tower of Babel or Etemenanki, known as Sacsayhuaman from the Inca period, the most cyclopian construction of the planet. In this respect, we, the authors of this piece, are producing a three part television documentary which will be entitled 'Etemenanki'. It is intended to release this film at the beginning of next year. In this documentary we will be verifying all the rich, and objective, information that exists to support the conclusions mentioned above. As a result of this, in proving that the geographic location of the Biblical 'Creation' was in Peru, we can demonstrate that the ancestral 'common' language of humanity comes from this region, and that in Quechua and Aymara there are, in both pure and changed ways, many of the words that comprised the 'First Universal Human Language'.

Many people, when reading this manifesto, may think that these are less than audacious opinions. However, this is not the first time that a theory has pointed to South America as the cradle of humanity. As we can demonstrate, there are data and investigations that we believe are from sensible, just and cultured personalities, whose works in the fields of Linguistics and Philology are worthy of careful consideration, from which we can distill the Origin of the First Language. We are delighted to represent those who were, in our opinion, previously unjustly underestimated and that today we can re-evaluate the meaning of the following investigations:

Onffroy de Thoron. In the 15th century de Thoron discovers surprising similarities between the language Quechua or Runa Simi (=language of man) and the Ancient Egyptian language, positing Quechua to be the prototype of the Ancient Egyptian tongue.

The Indians known as Los Indios Campas in the Peruvian Amazon, according to the versions of Spanish and Portuguese chroniclers at the end of the 18th century, who's spoken idiom was either similar, or even identical to the Ancient Egyptian language.

V. Henry, published the book "Le Quichua est il une langue aryene?" (Is the Quechua an Aryan Language?) in Luxembourg in 1877. In this work Henry sets out to demonstrate that Quechua is, indeed, an Aryan language, containing in great amount the Ar radical, and being of solar origin, and the prototype of the languages of Europe and Asia.

Jorge Philips, an highly erudite German, as his position as Director of the Imperial Academy of Sciences of Vienna affirms, wrote a theory in 1870, not only based on linguistic investigations, but also on other corroborative proofs. He said that the Arrias or Arias, were the common basis of all the European and Indian civilizations, and came from the Americas.

Philipe Marcou published in 1924 "Utilite des comparaisons entre les langues d'Amerique et langues indoeuropeenes". Marcou, finds between languages like Quechua, Aymara and Quiche much more relationship with the Indo-European languages. So knowing these American languages, one can understand without knowing them, languages from Europe and Asia.

Fidel Vicente Lopez published in Paris, in 1871, the book "Las races aryennes de Peru" in which he deals with languages like Magyar, the Pelasgo, the Vedico and the Etruscan, coming to the conclusion that they come from ancestral languages of Peru.

Juan Moricz demonstrates, in a practical way, what is indicated by the title of his book, published in 1968: 'Origen Americano de pueblos Europeos' (American Origin of European people).

Benign Ferrario, published in 1933 the book 'La investigacion linguistica y el parentesco extra continental de la lengua Quechua' ( The linguistic investigation and the extra-continental relationship of the Quechuá language). Work that leaves without doubts the influence that has the language Quechua or Runa Simi, on Indo-European languages.

Rvdo P. Dominicio. Ambrosio Morales, member of the seminary of High Studies of the Institute Arquelogico de Cusco in 1941, published the book 'Cusco ciudad Milenaria' (Cusco, City of the Millenia). Morales discovered that the first foundation of Cusco is done by cultures previous to the Pelasgos (proto-Greeks) who spoke a mother language Hebrew, Latin, Siriaco and whose origins are in the Quechua language.

Juan de Velasco, publishes in the year 1844 his book titled 'Historia del reyno de Quito' (History of the Kingdom of Quito) in which he explains that the cradle of the Phoenicians was in Peru, as a result of being descendents of the Wankás, an ethnic group of North-Central Peru.

Pablo Patron, in his important work 'Nuevos estudios sobre las lenguas Americanas' (New Studies on the American Languages) makes special and revealing analogies, concluding that Quechua and Aymara, have the same semitic origin as the Sumerian-Asirian languages.

To continue we will make reference to the studies and investigations that tie the Quechua language with the Latin through Etruscan:

Alberto Childe, in 1927, makes an Philological analysis and provides other evidences on the cradle of the Tusci, Tuskos or Etruscans in his book 'Os Etruscos na americá' (The Etruscans in America), in which he demonstrates the abundant existence of the presence of the Etruscans in the South American continent.

Mario Gattoni Celli, published in Rome 1967, his book 'Gli Etruschi della Russia all 'America'. In which he sustains an undeniable migration, when finding the prototypes of the Etruscans in America.

Natalia Rossi de Tariffi, to this day we consider this Philological investigation the most expertised, deep and coherent, with respect to locating the mysterious cradle of the Etruscans in her work published in 1969, 'America cuarta dimension, los etruscos salieron de los Andes' ( America fourth dimension, the Etruscans left from the Andes').

We also consider it very important to know that many other investigations were made on the themes of Philology and Linguistics, but also included other aspects concerning Archeology, that indicate the American location of the Cradle of Humanity and as a consequence the First Universal Language.

Arthur Posnansky, German archeologist, who after twenty years of archeological investigation in Tiahuanaco (Bolivia), finds vestiges from the time of the human origins and publishes in 1943 his work 'Las Americas son un mundo nuevo o un mundo mas antiguo que Europa y Asia?' (The Americas are a new world or a more ancient world than Europe and Asia?)

Jacques de Mahieu, a precise, contemporary investigator, indicated that South America was the true scene of the 'Old Testament' accounts, as a result of it established that important architectural details of the gothic cathedrals of the Mediterranean, have their origins in the pre-Colombian architecture of South America. In the Seventies he published 'Drakkars en el Amazonas' (Drakkars in Amazonia) and 'El gran viaje del Dios Sol' ('The Great Voyage of the Sun God', 1976).

Gene Savoy, Dr Honoris of the University of Yale, archbishop of the 'International Community of Christ' Church, discoverer in Peru of the archeological complex of the Great Pajaten. Investigator of the origin of the Egyptians in Peru, as he indicates in his work 'Antisuyo'. In 1992 he discovers in Great Vilaya, Chachapoyas Peru, lanzones of stone with hieroglyphic writings of pre-semitic data. He is of the opinion that Peru was Ophir, the distant place where king Salomon got the fine gold to constuct the Coffer of the Alliance, webpage: [link to www.genesavoy.org]

Modern tecnology is also concurrent with the hypotheses of Alfredo Gamarra. The modern discovery made by Ing. Boliviano Ivan Guzman de Rojas, who has invented a software Atamiri with which it is possible to translate up to nine languages with one translator. Being the patron based on the languages Aymara. This important fact means for A.G. no less than the reversion of languages to their close origins in Quechua and Aymara, languages that developed in the location where the 'Creation' took place, containing varied or pure, many words of the first language. This language has to be called ARAC, that means just like Adam in Hebrew, Humanity. Because of the volume of the material as to why the first language was called Arac, this will be done in a further paper. It is also significant that Graham Hancock in his book Fingerprints of the Gods recognizes Aymara as one of the remote human antiquities, something in which we also believe, besides which it is consequent that the oldest languages are not likely to be distant from the cradle of humanity.
[link to www.ancient-mysteries-explained.com]
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[link to www.ancient-mysteries-explained.com]
I skipped the part of MY own replies reaching to many similar conclusions by my own research reading about Scaling of Sauroposeidon dinosaurs and fast dinosaurs would be impossible in our gravity, changes in 02 caught in air bubbles within amber of fossilized trees; proto-Sumearian scripture found in Peru like Pokotia and Fuente Magna , quipus with Sumerian code as discovered by Gary Urton, Harvard specialist and so on.

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 23/12/2011 20:25

sábado 26 de julio de 2008

LAS PLEYADES: Su rol en el mundo andino

 

Fue la constelación estelar más importante de la astronomía Inka y hasta tuvo un templo propio dentro del Qorikancha. Se dice que era la madre de todas las estrellas y también que es una pieza clave para comprender el calendario Inka.
Nos referimos al cúmulo estelar abierto más bello y popular del cielo observable. Su nombre técnico es M 45 (El Número 45 del Catálogo Messier) y en los mapas estelares aparece como Eta Tauro (referido a su principal estrella Alcyone) porque está ubicado dentro de esa constelación occidental. En los países de habla hispana se le llama “Las 7 Hermanas” o las 7 Cabrillas. La mayor parte de sus estrellas más brillantes están ubicadas a unos 400 años luz de distancia de la Tierra y por su espectro se sabe que son estrellas azules, muy jóvenes, calientes y todavía envueltas dentro de la nube de gas y polvo cósmico que les dio origen. Según la mitología griega son las 7 hijas del gigante Atlas y la bella Pleione.
En la cosmología de los pueblos andinos desempeñaba un importantísimo papel por ser un grupo estelar que al ser observado atentamente por especialistas servía para pronosticar la cantidad de precipitación pluvial o los cambios climáticos que se verían cuando llegase la temporada de lluvias. Todavía hoy en día sigue cumpliendo ese rol en algunas comunidades campesinas.
Recordemos que en la sierra peruana no se aprecian las cuatro estaciones del año que define el clima de otras latitudes. Aquí las estaciones de centralizan en dos grandes épocas o ciclos: Tiempo de Secas ( o Secano) y Tiempo de Lluvias. Por lo tanto, es diferente a otros lugares el modo de apreciar las variaciones climáticas y la planificación de las campañas agrícolas.
Le llamaban “Qollqa” (almacén, granero, deposito) porque era referencia inequívoca de la calidad y cantidad de la producción agraria futura y por tanto el almacenamiento de excedentes en esos almacenes que había en todo el Tawantinsuyu para socorrer al pueblo en casos de escasez o emergencia.
Leyendo documentos antiguos, especialmente el llamado “Manuscrito Anónimo de Huarochirí” de autor desconocido y probablemente escrito hacia 1600, se puede saber que la observación de las Pléyades era el mejor modo de diagnosticar el comportamiento del clima y la cantidad de lluvias que debían llegar hacia octubre o noviembre. Tales observaciones se realizaban en la época de su primera salida helíaca (la primera observación en el cielo de la mañana, antes de la salida del Sol) que ocurre cada año entre la segunda y tercera semana del mes de Junio, justamente antes del Inti Raymi, la gran fiesta del Sol.
Dice el documento (en versión explicada) que “Cuando las estrellas de la Qollqa se veían grandes y brillantes vendría un época de lluvias normales y por lo tanto buenas cosechas para alegría de todos, pero si éstas se veían pequeñas y débiles vendrían épocas de sufrimiento y de hambre”
Esta versión, aparentemente anecdótica y hasta tribial, fue tomada por mucha gente como simple mito o parte de la ignorancia campesina. Sin embargo, también hubo gente que se dedicó a hacer investigaciones y hoy en día podemos decir, con el apoyo de la ciencia, que nuestros antepasados tenían la razón.
La prestigiosa revista norteamericana especializada en astronomía Sky & Telescope, en su edición de Junio 2008, ha publicado un artículo del conocido arqueoastrónomo Edwin C. Krupp en el que se comenta, aparte de mostrar la importancia de las Pléyades como pronosticador del clima en los antiguos pueblos griegos y del mediterráneo, un informe sobre su importancia en el mundo andino. Krupp da cuenta de los estudios realizados por el Antropólogo norteamericano Benjamín Orlove, quien ayudado por el climatólogo John Chiang y el Meteorólogo Mark Cane hicieron un interesante estudio que detallamos a continuación:
Orlove, maravillado con los relatos referidos a las Pléyades (Qollqa) y su relación con la época de lluvias que le habían sido referidas en muchas comunidades andinas, dedicó su tiempo a hacer un estudio de la climatología de la sierra peruana y su relación con las observaciones de la Qollqa.
Reunió a un equipo de especialistas y luego de buscar estadísticas climatológicas de más 30 años en varios puntos de la sierra peruana, además de abundantes fotografías tomadas por satélites meteorológicos, llegó a concluir que en los años normales los vientos predominantes van de Este a Oeste llevando los vientos hacia la costa y permitiendo de este modo un equilibrio atmosférico que derivaba en cielos limpios en junio y julio (época de observar a la Qollqa) y lluvias normales desde octubre y noviembre.
Pero en los años en que el clima se torna anormal, caso de la ocurrencia del llamado Fenómeno del Niño, las aguas del Océano Pacífico son calentadas por la Corriente del Niño ( que viene del Norte, junto a las costas ecuatorianas) lo que produce excesiva evaporación y calentamiento del aire. Esto provoca unas nubes llamadas cirrus (grandes franjas de nubosidades tenues y vaporosas que casi no se advierten) sobre la llanura amazónica, entre los 6 y 10 mil metros de altura. Al ser traídos por las corrientes de aire hacia la sierra sur, cubren los cielos de manera casi invisible, produciendo la visión borrosa y debilitada de las Pléyades (Qollqa).
De allí nace aquello de ver las Pléyades (Qollqa) brillantes o débiles y su rol de pronosticador del clima futuro, específicamente, de la época de lluvias.
Todavía hoy en día, en muchas comunidades andinas donde hay agricultores con una gran sensibilidad e intuición para estos trabajos, se hace la observación de la Qollqa y si se presentan sus estrellas debilitadas y sin mucho brillo entonces se sabe que las lluvias llegarán más tarde de lo acostumbrado; por lo tanto, la siembra de la papa debe hacerse más tarde de lo acostumbrado y asimismo tomar otras estrategias para paliar la falta de lluvias tempranas o buscar otras soluciones.
Pero esto no termina simplemente con una explicación científica que acaba con el encanto y el misterio de la Qollqa…hay muchas otras cosas que nos tiene guardadas. Se las diré pronto.

Bibliografía:
“Weathering the Stars” By E.C. Krupp. Sky & Telescope, Magazine. USA. June, 2008 Pag. 43-45
“Un Fiel Puñado de Estrellas” Mariano Ribas, Argentina, 2007.
http://qoyllur.blogspot.com/2008/07/las-pleyades-su-rol-en-el-mundo-andino.html

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 23/12/2011 20:28

Las Pléyades

Las Pléyades (que significa "palomas" en griego), también conocidas como Objeto Messier 45, Messier 45, M45, Las Siete Hermanas o Cabrillas, Los Siete Cabritos, es un objeto visible a simple vista en el cielo nocturno con un prominente lugar en la mitología antigua, situado a un costado de la constelación Tauro. Las Pléyades son un grupo de estrellas muy jóvenes las cuales se sitúan a una distancia aproximada de 450 años luz de la Tierra y están contenidas en un espacio de treinta años luz. Se formaron hace apenas unos 100 millones de años aproximadamente, durante la era Mesozoica en la Tierra, a partir del colapso de una nube de gas interestelar. Las estrellas más grandes y brillantes del cúmulo son de color blanco-azulado y cerca de cinco veces más grandes que el Sol. La imagen de la derecha es una imagen compuesta en color de las Pléyades del Digitized Sky Survey

Distancia

La distancia al cúmulo ha sido estimada por muchos métodos, pues es un paso importante en la calibración de las distancias en el universo. El conocimiento exacto de la distancia a las Pléyades permite a los astrónomos trazar un diagrama de Hertzsprung-Russell, para estimar la distancia a otros cúmulos desconocidos. Otros métodos pueden entonces extender la escala de distancia, de cúmulos abiertos a galaxias y posteriormente a cúmulos de galaxias, permitiendo construir una escala cósmica de distancias.

Los resultados anteriores al lanzamiento del satélite Hipparcos encontraron que las Pléyades estaban aproximadamente a unos 135 pársec (440 años luz) de la Tierra. Hipparcos causó consternación entre los astrónomos al encontrar una distancia de solamente 118 parsec (384,7 años luz) midiendo el paralaje de algunas estrellas del cúmulo, una técnica que debe indicar los resultados más directos y exactos. Trabajos más recientes han encontrado que la distancia calculada por Hipparcos era errónea, si bien se desconoce la causa de este error. La distancia específica de las Pléyades todavía se desconoce, pero actualmente se piensa que la verdadera distancia es mayor que 135 parsec.

Futuro

Se ha calculado que las Pléyades tienen un futuro de solamente otros 250 millones de años (Kenneth Glyn Jones); para ese entonces, habrán sido separadas como estrellas individuales (o múltiples) a lo largo de su trayectoria.

Bajo condiciones ideales de observación, se pueden apreciar algunas huellas de nebulosidad, y esto se demuestra en fotografías de larga exposicón. Es una nebulosa de reflexión, causada por polvo que refleja la luz azul de las estrellas calientes y jóvenes.

Se piensa a menudo que este polvo fue lo que sobró de la formación del cúmulo, pero con una edad cerca a los 100 millones de años, que es generalmente la más aceptada para este cúmulo, casi todo el polvo originalmente presente habría sido dispersado por la presión de la radiación. Al parecer, el cúmulo está pasando por una región particularmente polvorienta del medio interestelar.

Los estudios demuestran que el polvo responsable de la nebulosidad no está distribuido uniformemente, sino que se concentra principalmente en dos capas a lo largo de la parte que vemos del cúmulo. Estas capas se pudieron haber formado por la desaceleración debido a la presión de la radiación a medida que el polvo se ha ido moviendo hacia las estrellas.1

Las principales estrellas son, ordenadas por magnitud:

Alcyone 2,87 Atlas 3,63 Electra 3,7 Maia 3,87 Merope 4,18 Taygete 4,3 Pleione 5,09 Celaeno 5,46 Tau 18 5,64 AsteropeI 5,76 AsteropeII 6,43

Las Pléyades

Los Mayas

Los mayas basaron su calendario sagrado Tzolkin, en el ciclo anual de las Pléyades (el mismo, para efectos prácticos, que para cualquier estrella o constelación), y creen que es el lugar de origen de su cultura, son llamadas Tzab-ek o cola de Serpiente de Cascabel, y también las conocen como Las Siete Hermanas.

Los aztecas

Los aztecas conocian a las Pléyades como Tianquiztli ("el mercado"), esto por la muchedumbre que se formaban antes en los mercados y su semejanza con las estrellas de esta constelacion.2

Los Incas

De acuerdo a Aveni,3 la salida heliaca4 de las Pléyades da inicio al año Inca, lo que ocurre unos 13 a 15 días antes del solsticio de invierno. Ellos vieron una relación entre el tiempo en que las Pléyades son visibles y el ciclo agrícola anual. De esta manera uno de los nombres con que designaban al cúmulo era Collca, que significa depósito de alimentos en quechua.5 Las Pléyades están ausentes del cielo nocturno entre el 3 de mayo y 9 de junio, durante un período de 37 días, período que coincide con el que media entre la cosecha y la próxima época de siembra en el altiplano.

La primera aparición de las Pléyades

La observación de la primera aparición de las Pléyades no sólo definía el inicio del año Inca, sino también les permitía pronosticar las precipitaciones en la siguiente temporada y según esto adelantar o atrasar las siembras. Se encuentran en el plano central de nuestra galaxia y acerca de ellas hay una teoría según la cual, nuestro Sol giraría en torno a la principal de ellas, Alcione, de forma que el Sol sería “la octava Pléyade”, una estrella más del conjunto.

Pero, según las leyes de Newton, considerando las relación de distancia que separa al nuestro sistema solar de dicho cúmulo y teniendo en cuenta la masa del mismo, es prácticamente imposible que el sistema solar orbite alrededor de Alcione.

Sin embargo, sí que es posible que haya un giro relativo entre los dos sistemas y que, dado que ambos (Las Pléyades y el sistema solar) se desplazan alrededor del núcleo galáctico –que, visto desde la Tierra, está en la dirección de Sagitario-, pudiera darse algún tipo de ciclo mutuo en forma de hélice o tirabuzón.

Aunque pertenecen a la constelación de Tauro, las Pléyades forman por sí mismas un asterismo conocido desde tiempos extremadamente antiguos; de hecho, en unas tablillas sumerias de gramática, ya aparecen claramente identificadas con el nombre de“Mul-mul”: el astro.

Desde los babilonios hasta los indonesios, su aparición por el horizonte antes de salir el sol las convertía en medidoras del tiempo y punto de partida del calendario agrícola.

Los aztecas basaban el inicio y fin de los ciclos de su exacto calendario en una determinada posición cenital de este asterismo.

En todas las culturas hay hermosas leyendas referidas a ellas: Los babilonios decían que eran 7 dioses benefactores y portadores de suerte, los "Sebittu".

Los indios norteamericanos cuentan que se trata del jefe indio “Cinta Larga” que, tras guiar a su pueblo desde otro mundo hasta la Tierra a través de la Vía Láctea, fue premiado por su hazaña y llevado a vivir eternamente en estas estrellas.

Otros indios dicen que se trata de un grupo de niños danzantes que, de tanto girar y girar vertiginosamente, se salieron de la tierra y se quedaron en el cielo bailando en corro eternamente.

Pero la leyenda india más conocida es la de los kiowa de Wyoming, según la cual una vez acamparon 7 chicas jóvenes en el bosque y un oso las persiguió; ellas pidieron ayuda al Gran Espíritu y éste hizo elevarse la tierra en que la estaban hasta llegar al cielo donde les permitió quedarse para siempre en forma de estrellas. El oso arañó y arañó la roca sin conseguir alcanzarlas, y la prueba de que todo esto sucedió es que el lugar ha permanecido así para asombro de las generaciones: la “Torre del Diablo”, una formación volcánica que, sin duda, merece ser fuente de inspiración de éste y otros mitos.

Este cúmulo estelar fue, asimismo, muy importante en la historia del antiguo Egipto, ya que durante el inicio y auge de su civilización, marcó el punto vernal (el de la entrada de la primavera, que poco a poco iría desplazándose hacia la constelación de Aries); pero también fue fundamental en sus creencias, porque su tradición afirmaba que la raza humana había sido creada cuando el Sol se encontraba alineado con las Pléyades.

Las Pléyades
http://www.tarotistas.com/secciones/astrologia/Las_Pleyades

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