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From: BARILOCHENSE6999  (Original message) Sent: 20/10/2019 04:32
Pope John XXIII's pectoral cross decorated with Masonic symbols?




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Long-standing suspicions regarding John XXIII’s links to Masonry were further aroused in 1977, fourteen years after his death. Of particular interest was an advertisement published in the USA, Boston Pilot Magazine, which was offering for sale replicas of John XXIII’s pectoral cross. The cross was decorated with several Masonic symbols and had been authorised for sale by Archbishop Capovilla of Loreto, Italy, with the backing of the Vatican.

Does anybody know where to find the picture of J23's pectoral cross? I tried googling it but couldn't find it.

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Click the link for a large photo. Looks "clean" to me.

http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF0305/Hendrickson/Hendrickson02.jpg

edited to add: There's a lot of clamor about the Boston Pilot Magazine ad on all the usual websites. But no one produces the ad or a photo of the pectoral cross that they were selling or any proof that the "replicas" were faithful reproductions. _________________
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I think this is what you're looking for:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cQ2xhpZfenk/SWjfMSjcA4I/
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It appears to have representations of the three persons of the Trinity, and a triangle to represent the Trinity, which somebody has interpreted as a Masonic symbol.

I found it on this site:

http://orbiscatholicus.blogspot.com/2009/01/
what-nice-pectoral-cross-looks-like.html

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I think this is what you're looking for:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cQ2xhpZfenk/SWjfMSjcA4I/
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It appears to have representations of the three persons of the Trinity, and a triangle to represent the Trinity, which somebody has interpreted as a Masonic symbol.

I found it on this site:

http://orbiscatholicus.blogspot.com/2009/01/
what-nice-pectoral-cross-looks-like.html

Interesting, it doesn't match the one in the photo at all. The website says that it was his cross when he was "Patriarch of Venice", I guess he's entitled to get a new one when he was pope.

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The all-seeing eye was a Catholic symbol long before the Masons ever used it. It's a pretty awesome symbol, too. I'm not going to let those old frat-boy losers keep it for themselves.

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The all-seeing eye was a Catholic symbol long before the Masons ever used it.

Could you give the source for that?

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The all-seeing eye was a Catholic symbol long before the Masons ever used it.

Could you give the source for that?

There's an all-seeing eye at Aachen Cathedral, the resting place of Charlemagne.

Aachen Cathedral, All Seeing Eye, Triangle, Freemasonry, Freemasons

You can also find it at the Church of St. Magdalene in Venice.

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The all-seeing eye was a Catholic symbol long before the Masons ever used it.

Could you give the source for that?

Quick research yields that symbol is used by Christians, among others, for a long time (see images at bottom): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence

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Can we know for sure that the masons didn't put it there?

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If it coud be proven that the Catholic Church commonly used the symbol on pectoral crosses etc. in the 1950's that would tend to dispel the claim. However if that symbol was unique to John XXIII, suspiscion looms..

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It's also worth mentioning that this article posted on the Masonic Service Association of North America (a Masonic institution, duh) says that the all-seeing eye is not a Masonic symbol, but only commonly mistaken for one.

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Sadly, Masons are sometimes counted among the gullible who repeat the tall tale of the eye in the pyramid, often with a touch of pride. They may be guilty of nothing worse than innocently puffing the importance of their fraternity (as well as themselves), but they're guilty nonetheless. The time has come to state the truth plainly and simply!

The Great Seal of the United States is not a Masonic emblem, nor does it contain hidden Masonic symbols.

The details are there for anyone to check, who's willing to rely on historical fact, rather than hysterical fiction.

Benjamin Franklin was the only Mason on the first design committee, and his suggestions had no Masonic content.

None of the final designers of the seal were Masons.

The interpretation of the eye on the seal is subtly different from the interpretation used by Masons.

The eye in the pyramid is not nor has it ever been a Masonic symbol

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The eye of Providence was part of the common cultural iconography of the 17th and 18th centuries. When placed in a triangle, the eye went beyond a general representation of God to a strongly Trinitarian statement. It was during this period that Masonic ritual and symbolism evolved; and it is not surprising that many symbols common to and understood by the general society made their way into Masonic ceremonies. Masons may have preferred the triangle because of the frequent use of the number 3 in their ceremonies: three degrees, three original grand masters, three principal officers, and so on. Eventually the all-seeing eye came to be used officially by Masons as a symbol for God, but this happened towards the end of the eighteenth century, after congress had adopted the seal.

A pyramid, whether incomplete or finished, however, has never been a Masonic symbol. It has no generally accepted symbolic meaning, except perhaps permanence or mystery. The combining of the eye of providence overlooking an unfinished pyramid is a uniquely American, not Masonic, icon, and must be interpreted as its designers intended. It has no Masonic context.

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It is also in the cathedral of Teucan Mexico. I have seen it though sadly no picks

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Also the swastika was a catholic Symbol too. still is creepy

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It's also worth mentioning that this article posted on the Masonic Service Association of North America (a Masonic institution, duh) says that the all-seeing eye is not a Masonic symbol, but only commonly mistaken for one.

To quote such a statement is in my opinion either extraordinarily naive or quite disingenuous.

There is absolutely no doubt that the All-Seeing Eye is used as a symbol of Freemasonry.

One tiny example, which could be multiplied ad infinitum:

http://www.godf.org/foreign/uk/index_uk.html

Does not mean it has always been, in all cases, a masonic symbol? Not necessarily. However, seeing as it is viewed as such, it is a good reason for Catholic prelates not to use such a symbol. (interestingly, in one of my uncle's missals from the early 60s, there is an illustration of an all-seeing eye) The fact of the matter is that there are Freemasons on the inside and outside of the hierarchy trying to being the Church to ruin. That is totally unacceptable and tolerance of the situation must be brought to a permanent end.

Another thing - why should any Catholic take the word of the Freemasons on such a matter?

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Sacred Geometry

Sacred Geometry, forms the underlying principles of its Religious Architecture, Art and Music in Venice.  Evidence suggests that the original layout of the early city was planned, using  these ancient geometrical and mathematical considerations One good example is in the siting of groups of Bell-Towers (Campaniles), that contributed towards the development and success of this great city.  In what is a “labyrinth” of canals and walkways; these high towers aided communication (by visual line of site and sound), movement around the city and maintenance of authority, security and defence.


 

Sacred Geometry: the “Starred Dodecahedron” at St Mark’s Basilica. To the left of the main doorway on the floor, is a curious mosaic of a starred dodecahedron; attributed to Paolo Uccello (1397-1475), the famous Florentine Renaissance artist.  It is thought that his main influence was Luca de Pacioli (1445-1517), a Franciscan monk and famous mathematician, considered the father of modern book-keeping.

In 1509 in Venice, de Pacioli published “De Divina Proportione”; primarily concerned with the “Golden Ratio” and its use in architecture and painting.

The dodecahedron is a twelve-sided or faceted figure.  Each facet has five sides, so by extending the sides out to meet and form “pyramids”; a star is formed.  Hence, the starred dodecahedron is made up of twelve pentagons.

The significance of this was that the pentagon (a five-sided figure with straight and equal sides), was to the wise men of Antiquity, symbolic of Venus; the planet governing Venice.  Hence the importance of its presence at St Mark’s Basilica.

In traditional symbolism, the dodecahedron was the form that best represented the manifestation of God in Nature.  For Plato it symbolised “Cosmic Harmony”.  It is a three-dimensional representation of the symmetry of the pentagon and the “Golden Ratio”, that occurs naturally throughout the natural world.

This golden ratio (or golden mean), is the essential property of the dodecahedron and other geometric forms described by Plato as “celestial”.  Five in number, they were the model for all the forms found in the natural world.  Sacred geometry is the underlying and organising principle of Creation.  These universal forms are systematically organised in a geometrical form in which each figure has its own mathematical and philosophical interpretation; hence their use in religious architecture and art.

 

SACRED GEOMETRY

Sacred geometry is a  vision of the world, according to which the basic criteria for existence, are perceived to be sacred.  By learning its laws, principles and the interrelationships of shapes, the “Universal Grand Project” (Magnum Misterium), can be contemplated.

Five universal shapes or forms known as the “Platonic Solids” (after Plato), are systematised in a geometric complex, in which each figure has its own mathematical and philosophical interpretation.

They are applied in projects of sacred architecture and sacred art, which always uses the “divine proportions”, in which Man reflects the Universe and the Universe reflects Man.  It is commonly believed that sacred geometry is found in Music, Light and Cosmology.

Some consider it to be a universal facet of the human condition; as for example when man discovered its system of values, in Megalithic and Neolithic cultures.

Sacred Geometry is fundamental to the construction of churches, synagogues, temples and mosques and to their interior design and proportions.  Passed down through Graeco-Egyptian culture, to ancient Rome and then inspiring the medieval Roman and Gothic architecture of European cathedrals; which incorporated this geometry of sacred symbolism.

 

THE FIVE PLATONIC SOLIDS (after Plato)

Pythagoras the philosopher and mathematician, was said to have founded the system of Sacred Geometry at his school in Croton, Greece.   It is believed that he brought back his knowledge, from travels to Egypt and India.  He created “Pythagorian Geometry” by using the golden ratio of 1.618 and applying it to the geometric forms of the five basic solids.  Plato, mentioned them to such a degree that they became known as the “Five Platonic Solids”.

It was a Greek myth that inspired Pythagoras, about the child-god Dionysus’s toys: a basket, dice, top, ball and mirror.

On a cosmic level:

The Basket: represents the Universe

The Dice: represents the five Platonic solids symbolising the natural elements: ether – air – fire – water – earth.

The Top: is the atom of the matter.

The Ball: is the earth’s globe.

The Mirror: reflects the work of the Supreme Geometrist, (Dionysus), which itself is the universal manifestation of Life and Consciousness; of God towards Man and Man towards God.

Each of the five Platonic solids represent a planetary energy, that is connected by its form to a natural element.

The five basic solids are: the tetrahedron (pyramid) – four sides, the hexahedron (cube) – six sides, the octahedron – eight sides, the dodecahedron – twelve sides and the icosahedron – twenty sides.

(Definition – Hedron: : geometrical solids having a specified number of plane faces  Poly: many)

In three-dimensional space, a Platonic solid is a regular, convex polyhedron. It is constructed by congruent (identical in shape and size), regular (all angles equal and all sides equal), polygonal faces with the same number of faces meeting at each vertex.

Five solids meet these criteria:

Dodecahedron: is linked to Venus and Ether, the natural quintessence expressed by a temple’s dome.

Octahedron: is linked to Saturn and the Air, represents the Cross of the  Transcept.

The Tetrahedron:  is linked to Mars and Fire, is represented by openings in the temple, where light gushes through.

Icosahedron: is linked to the Moon and Water, establishes the harmony of forms in the temple’s design; constructing the connecting lines between the alters and columns.

Hexahedron: fixes the Sun to its element, the Earth; by determining the shape of the temple’s foundations or floor.

The main purpose of Sacred Geometry is to create Universal Perfection, through perfect mathematical forms and calculations.  By using sacred architecture, connecting the Multiple to the Single, in a space dedicated to this end.

Here are alternative definitions of Sacred Geometry, that may help understanding of a rather complex subject:

Sacred Geometry is the underlying and organizing principle of Creation.

Five universal forms are systematically organised into a geometric form, in which each figure has its own mathematical and philosophical interpretation; hence their use in religious art and architecture.

These forms best represent the “Manifestation of God in Nature” and our Universe and those beyond” and to Plato was symbolic of “Cosmic Harmony”.

They were the model for all the forms found in the natural world.

Sacred Geometry may be understood as a worldview of pattern recognition, a complex system of religious symbols and structures involving space, time and form.  According to this view the basic patterns of existence are perceived as sacred.

By connecting with these, a believer contemplates the Great Mysteries, and the Great Design.  By studying the nature of these patterns, forms and relationships and their connections, insight may be gained into the mysteries – the laws and lore of the Universe.

Sacred Geometry is another term for the Algorithm, Matrix, Illusion, or Simulation that unites and creates all realities.

Sacred geometry involves sacred universal patterns used in the design of everything in our reality, most often seen in sacred architecture and sacred art.  The basic belief is that geometry and mathematical ratios, harmonics and proportion are also found in music, light, cosmology.  This value system is seen as widespread even in prehistory, a cultural universal of the human condition.

 

ADDITIONAL UNIVERSAL SACRED SHAPES AND PATTERNS

Sphere: Perhaps one of the simplest and most perfect of all forms, the sphere is an expression of unity, completeness, integrity, and equality.  It is the most profound and sacred symbol in the Universe and contains all the wisdom of creation.  It is from the sphere that the other shapes are organized.  With the sphere, we are reminded that everything fits together in perfect proportions and it is the portal that opens you to the workings of nature

The Flower of Life.  The Flower of Life is made of evenly-spaced, overlapping circles with six-fold symmetry similar to a hexagon.  The Flower of Life embodies our Life Force energy, or Chi, and the lifeblood that flows through us.  Our energy, the Earth, and everything in the Universe is woven within a common repeating pattern that manifests in the geometry of this single sacred flower. Its perfect, infinite pattern represents the very thread of our being, stretching across planes and dimensions.  The Flower of Life symbol is used throughout the world. It can be found at the Temple of Osiris in Egypt, the Forbidden City in China, and sacred sites in Israel, India, Spain, and Japan.

The Merkaba.  The Merkaba is another powerful symbol that is created when two star- tetrahedrons are combined – one pointing up to the heavens, channelling energy down from the Universe to the Earth; and one pointing downwards, drawing energy up from the Earth.  The Merkaba is a light vehicle believed to be used by the ascended masters to connect with and transport to the Higher Realms. “Mer” means light. “Ka” means Spirit. “Ba” means Body.  The Merkaba is linked to Metatron, the archangel who is most attributed to sacred geometry and the mysteries and inner workings of the Universe.

The Kaballistic Tree of Life.  The symbol is believed to be derived from the Tree of Life.   The diagram is also used by Christian Cabbala, Hermetic Qabalah and Theosophy.  Kabbalah is an ancient wisdom that reveals how the universe and life work.  On a literal level, the word Kabbalah means “receiving”.  It is the study of how to receive fulfilment in our lives, discover how the universe works and what the meaning of life is.  Essentially, spiritual illumination – a pathway to God.  It is usually referred to as the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, in order to distinguish it from other concepts with the same name.  The Kabbalist seeks to know himself and the universe, as an expression of God and to make the journey of Return by stages charted by the Sephiroth; until he has come to the realisation he sought.

Shell: Passion flower: Spiral Galaxy: Giants Causeway

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fremasonry – The All Seeing Eye

 


 

Please see my other related posts, in the category of: History and Architecture

For those interested in the mysterious, mythical or dark side of Venetian history and culture; I have put together a list of links below to those posts that include elements of Christian Symbolism, Sacred Geometry, Kabbalah, Freemasonry and Alchemy, which I hope to expand.

 

St Mark’s Basilica

The Lion of St Mark

Santa Maria della Salute

Symbolism of the Venetian Cross

Palazzo Lezze and Alchemic Symbolism

Kabbalah and San Francesco della Vigna

La Maddalena and Masonic Symbolism

Doge’s Palace – Column Capitals

Mouths of the Lion

Pateras – Small Circular Reliefs


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The Strange History of Masons in America

Often the subject of conspiracy theories, Masons captured the allegiance of much of the early American elite.

Take out a dollar bill (United States currency, that is). Look at the back. On the left side, granted as much space as the American eagle symbol on the right, is a seeing eye and a pyramid, placed there for no apparent reason. But for those in the know, the eye above the pyramid is a Masonic symbol, produced by a secret society which has influenced American history from its beginnings. In Masonic lore, the pyramid symbol is known as a sign of the eye of God watching over humanity.

The Masons have been both criticized and praised for their influential role in U.S. history.

George Washington reached the top level of the Masons on August 4, 1753, securing the leadership of the influential lodge in Alexandria, Virginia. Washington was not alone among the founding founders; some scholars say as many as twenty-one signers of the Declaration of Independence were Masons. Many historians note that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights both seem to be heavily influenced by the Masonic “civil religion,” which focuses on freedom, free enterprise, and a limited role for the state.

In Europe, the Masons were known for plotting against royal governments. In America, they became known for promoting Republican virtues of self-government.

Masonic thought influenced American history: the Masons were opposed to the claims of royalty—a strong influence on the development of the American revolt against Britain which culminated in the Revolutionary War. They were also known for their opposition to the Catholic Church, another international organization that competed for allegiance.

 

While the Masons captured the allegiance of much of the early Republic’s elite, the group did fall under widespread suspicion.

 

Today’s Masonic lodges in the U.S. have a largely benign public image, seen as a place for smalltown businessmen (the order is limited to men) to engage in social gatherings, networking, and opportunities for charity. But the group, with its secret symbols and handshakes, was not always so harmless.

The United States Masons (also known as Freemasons) originated in England and became a popular association for leading colonials after the first American lodge was founded in Boston in 1733. Masonic brothers pledged to support one another and provide sanctuary if needed. The fraternity embodied European Enlightenment ideals of liberty, autonomy, and God as envisioned by Deist philosophers as a Creator who largely left humanity alone.

Those theological views created friction with established Christian churches, particularly Catholics and Lutherans. While the Masons captured the allegiance of much of the early Republic’s elite, the group did fall under widespread suspicion. The William Morgan affair of 1826—when a former Mason broke ranks and promised to  expose the group’s secrets—threatened its demise. Morgan was allegedly abducted and presumed killed by Masons, and the scandal proved a low point in the public image of the fraternal order.

The anti-Mason backlash grew. Abolitionists like John Brown railed against the often pro-slavery Masons. Prominent figures including John Quincy Adams, a former president and former Mason, and publisher Horace Greeley joined in the widespread castigation. Future president Millard Fillmore called Masonic orders nothing better than “organized treason.” In 1832, an anti-Masonic party ran a one-issue candidate for president. He captured Vermont’s electoral votes.

American Masons were not above engaging in controversial foreign adventures. In 1850 a contingent of American Masons and Mexican War veterans invaded Cuba to foment a rebellion against the Spanish crown. The group failed to gain a foothold and retreated after suffering heavy casualties. Its leaders were later tried in New Orleans for violating U.S. neutrality laws.

The group’s long-term fraternalism and secrecy has traditionally served as a vehicle of exclusion, not inclusion. Today, its reputation is buttressed by an affilation with the Shriners, a related fraternal group noted for its charity and health work. The Masons’ revolutionary and sometimes violent past now serves as a kind of historic footnote as the order established itself as a placid participant in the American social fabric. Even with its controversial past, it’s hard to imagine the Masonic order serving as a contemporary hotbed of violent insurrection.

https://daily.jstor.org/the-strange-history-of-masons-in-america/

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