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Sabado Romano o Shabat Lunar

 

Los Natzratim  (Mensaje original) Enviado: 17/02/2011 18:38

¿Porque los adherentes del Judaismo son los "hijos falsos" guardan el "Sabado Romano"?

Como dijo un gran sabio de Israel "Es muy fácil ser JUDÍO, pero difícil querer ser un verdadero HIJO de ISRAEL"
 
Pero te dijo esta tremenda verdad "Hay mas Hijos de Israel, que NO saben que son descendientes, que Judios convertidos que No tienen nada de SEMITA". 
 
 
"Acuérdense de la Torá de mi siervo Moshé. Recuerden los preceptos y estatutos que le di en Horeb para todo Israel [Las doces Tribus de Hijos de Israel>." Malaji (Malaquías) 4.4
 
"Acuérdense de la Torá de mi siervo Moshé…. le di en Horeb para todo Israel" ¿Acaso no lo sabía por medio de la Torá Oral? 
 
 
Shabat: El día de reposo (Levítico) 23.3
 
Comentario Sobre el Shabat Lunar: Guardando el Shabat (lunar) conforme a la Torá, no de acuerdo a calendarios extranjeros. ¿Si el Calendario segun la Tora es lunar? Como es posible que el dia de Shabat sea el septimo dia (sabado) de calendarios extranjeros? 
 
Si el Calendario es lunar y por ende las Convocaciones (Pesaj, Matzot, etc.) se rigen por la luna? Como es posible qui el Shabat (la primera Convocacisn) se rija por calendarios extranjeros? Calendario Hebreo, es y fue originalmente lunar y No luni-solar como es actualmente el calendario religioso judío que No es conforme a la Tora, de esta manera los días de Shabat son conforme a la luna, y no conforme a los días sábados del calendario solar Gregoriano. 
 
La tierra fueron creados en Rosh Jodesh (Luna Nueva) y hasta que hubo "Luz" empieza la cuenta de los días de la semana, sin embargo tenemos en total 8 días. 
 
 
Así es como identificamos al verdadero ISRAEL
 
La respuesta: son aquellos hijos de Israel que Guardan el Shabat Lunar. Como lo dijo el profeta: 
 
"Así a dicho el Eterno que da el sol para luz del día, LAS LEYES DE LA LUNA... si faltaren estas leyes delante de Mí, dice el Eterno, también la descendencia de ISRAEL faltará como nación delante de Mí" Irmiahu (Jeremias). 31.34-35
 
Asi que Ningún Judío Moderno adherentes al Judaismo ha sido, es ni será nunca Hijo de Israel .
 
Como identificamos LOS HIJOS FALSOS:
 
"Porque este es un pueblo rebelde, de hijos falsos, hijos que no quieren escuchar la Torát HaShem" Ieshaiahu (30.9).
 
Es decir que la diferencia es ‘el origen’, unos procede de los hombres y otros del Creador. En el transcurso del tiempo la tendencia de Israel fue añadir y quitar a la Palabra que fue ordenada por medio de Moshe y los demás Profetas. Quienes son estos hijos falsos son lo que No que guardan Shabat según Lunar. 
 
Guardando el Shabat (lunar) conforme a la Torá, no de acuerdo a calendarios extranjeros. ¿Si el Calendario segun la Tora es lunar? Como es posible que el dia de Shabat sea el septimo dia (sabado) de calendarios extranjeros?. 
 
Quienes son los hijos falsos Son los adherentes del Judaismo que guardan el Sabado Romano.
 
El Shabat es llamado Ot (Señal): "Entre Mi y los hijos de Israel esta será una Ot (Señal) perpetua, porque en seis días hizo el Eterno los cielos y la tierra, mas en el séptimo día descansó y reposó". Sh’mot (Éxodo) 31.17
 
La Luna fue creada para marcar Otot (Señales) y Moadim (Convocaciones), si el Shabat es llamado Ot (Señal) y Moed (Convocación), obviamente esto indica que el Shabat depende de la Luna. Si la Luna fue creada para marcar las Moadim (Shabat, Pesaj, Matzot, Biqurim, Shavuot, Iom Terua, Iom Hakipurim, y Sukoq). 
 
Pese a lo obvio que es, de acuerdo a la Torá, no solo que los meses dependen de la luna, sino también las semanas, hay quienes persisten en llamar Shabat a los días que los calendarios extranjeros llaman séptimo día, poniendo como pretexto algunos textos de la Torá. No existe base en la Torá que respalde el seguir un dictamen que vaya en contra de la Torá, al contrario, la Torá dice: 
 
"Todo cuanto os ordeno, eso cuidaréis de hacer; no añadiréis a ello ni quitaréis de ello nada" Dvarim (Deut.) 13.1).
 

Entonces por otra parte, el asunto No es de ‘judios ortodoxos’ ni ‘gentiles’ ni ‘judios por conversion’ ni ‘judios religiosos’ ni ‘mesianicos’ ni ‘cristianos’ ‘gentiles judaizados’ conceptos tardios e ignorancia historica. Sino de los seguidores de Iehoshua que eran Hebreos y los hijos de Israel Dispersos de entre las naciones D’varim (Deut.) 28.64, Iaaqov (Jacobo) 1.1. 

 

Los que verdaderamente son Israel que están dispersos entre las Naciones transmitiendo la Luz del Mashiaj, no por el hecho de haber nacidos en la tierra de Israel, sino los que son fieles al Eterno y por ende a su Torá y no una religión llamada (Judaismo).

 

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¿Rosh Jodesh es en luna llena o creciente?

¿El dia comienza a al amanecer o puesta del sol?

Fases de la luna-you tube

SHABBAT ES SINONIMO DE LA ESCALERA DE JACOB

LAS SIETE FIESTAS DEL MESIAS

¿Rosh Hashanah o Yom Teruah?

Historia del calendario gregoriano

Reconciliación de calendarios hebreo e islámico

Cosechas de Dios, Sacrificios de las Lunas Nuevas

Jeroboam y el Calendario Hillel

Las lunas nuevas

El Sábado en el Corán

Rol histórico del Cuarto Mandamiento en Iglesias

CUARTO MANDAMIENTO-EL SABADO

 EL SHABBAT ES LA NOVIA (EDAD MESIANICA-ATID LAVO)

¿Qué significa: No estar Bajo la Torah?

MELLIZOS DEL PODER DE DI-S: LA TORÁ Y LA GRACIA

¿Que calendario uso Noe?

MAZAROTH-ASTROTEOLOGIA

Misterios Revelados: Tiempo Real (Parte 1 de 4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmNwRDpM5Ak&feature=related

Misterios Revelados: Tiempo Real (Parte 2 de 4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIWR8m0zlpw&feature=related

Misterios Revelados: Tiempo Real (Parte 3 de 4) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67oJylWDtPI&feature=related

Misterios Revelados: Tiempo Real (Parte 4 de 4) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3IGlsqix_E&feature=related
 Misterios Revelados: Tiempo Real (Parte 3 de 4)

 

AÑO LUNAR 2011-2012

http://www.bayithamashiyach.com/Lunar_year_2011-12.pdf

 


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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 31/08/2012 04:09

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    In examining the evidence set forth in this work, you will see the true Sabbath comes after the six workdays of the week, and the day of the New Moon is not one of the six work days, no more than the Sabbath day is. Ezech-46:1. A new week always began after the New moon or Sabbath, they are both worship days, and not one of the six work days. Isa. - 66:23 This explains why the Sabbath days in the scriptures are always on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th of the month,without exception. It is exciting to read the examples set forth in this work based on the oldest history book in the world, and the only inspired one.
 
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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 31/08/2012 04:21


Here Is an “eyewitness” account as to how our “Saviour” and the “Jews” of HIS DAY kept the weeks and "7th" day of the week, and it is NOT the way it is being done today.

People accept the scripture where it says that they would “forget” His name for Ball/lord but won’t accept where the scripture says that He would destroy their Sanctuary and cause His Sabbaths to be "forgotten" in Zion (Lamentation 2:6.)

Yes the Name AND Sabbaths were both forgotten and are now being restored to those that are willing to listen.

The following will actually show the Saviour and the Jews of His day keeping Lunar Sabbaths.


WHY ARE THE WRITING’S OF PHILO THE JEW SO IMPORTANT?????


In the quest for historical evidence as it relates to this subject (LUNAR SABBATHS), we have noticed that Philo is not often mentioned by those who support the tradional Saturday Sabbaths. The writings of Philo are very important for establishing Jewish practice and belief both before and during the Messiah’s time here on earth. Philo lived from approximately 20 BCE until about 50 CE. Thus, his lifetime spanned not only the years prior to the Messiah’s birth, but also the years following His resurrection (not to mention the years in between).


The evidence reveals that Philo’s beliefs were representative of those of Judaism during that period of time. Philo, who was born and raised in Alexandria, Egypt, was one of more than 100,000 Jews living in that city. When the prefect Flaccus initiated a massacre of the Jews in the year 39 CE, Philo was selected to head the Jewish delegation that went to to plead their case before Gaius Caligula.

Please pause for a moment and reflect on the significance of Philo’s having been chosen from among his peers for such a monumental task. Would Philo have been chosen for such a mission “if” his practice and beliefs “had not” squared with those of normative Judaism?

No, he would not have been chosen unless his views matched those of his peers. We know from Philo’s writings that he did {observed} "Lunar Sabbaths." If normative Judaism had practiced "Saturday Sabbaths" while Philo rebelliously observed "Lunar weeks and Sabbaths," would this detail have affected their decision to select him to lead a delegation to Rome?

Absolutely. Sabbath observance is one of the most distinguishing marks of Judaism, or as author Dayan Grunfeld put it, the Sabbath "epitomizes the whole of Judaism."


For Philo to have "gone against the grain" of Judaism with regard to Sabbath observance would have signaled a break with Judaism. We can thus discern that if Philo observed the lunar weeks and Sabbath by the phases of the moon each week, so did the rest of his fellow Jews, "including our Savior" because there were "no" controversy between our Savior and the Jews concerning the weekly Sabbath because many scriptures prove that He kept the "same" weekly Sabbath day as they did.

We believe Philo did a pretty decent job of explaining how, the weeks are connected to the moon, which are covered in his book.

We feel that a major blow to Sat- sabbatarian theology involves that which Philo “left out” of his writings pertaining to any Saturday Sabbaths.


Not once did Philo mention another week other than the "lunar" cycle in determining the Sabbath day. In fact, the word "Saturday or Saturn’s day" isn’t mentioned even “once” in Philo’s entire book. This is significant, as elsewhere in Philo’s writings, he devotes much space to discussing the cycle of the moon and the #7. In fact, the day of the new moon is listed as one of the majour Feasts and was not counted when counting out the 4 Lunar weeks each month, and he never counted the new moon when counting the 28 days of the 4 weeks or 4 Sabbaths each month/moon.

We find it to be very interesting that Philo mentioned the "moon" and it’s phases of waxing and waning in his commentary regarding the Sabbath. In his writings, Philo distinguishes new moon observance as a separate feast from the weekly Sabbath, and that is why he never includes the new moon in counting out the weeks.

Please study Philo carefully and prayerfully because Philo was an “eye witness” of how things were done by the Jews in our Savior’s day, including when a week begins and ends. We should not ignore the testimony of eye witnesses when searching for the truth on how something was done. Here are a few of the many proofs of how the Jews is our Saviour’s day understood weeks and Sabbaths.


In order to have a lunar Sabbath, you must have a lunar “week”, did Philo link the Sabbath or the “week” with the phases of the moon or not???

The answer is yes in fact the lunar week and lunar Sabbath is the only week or Sabbath mentioned in Philo’s writings. Let us begin in his writings.


ON MATING WITH THE PRELIMINARY STUDIES, X1X (102) it says,

"For it is said in the Scripture: On the tenth day of this month let each of them take a sheep according to his house; in order that from the tenth, there may be consecrated to the tenth, that is to God, the sacrifices which have been preserved in the soul, which is illuminated in two portions out of the three, until it is entirely changed in every part, and becomes a heavenly brilliancy like a full moon, at the height of its increase at the end of the second “week”…

Please let what Philo just said sink in. His readers and fellow Jews of that era, or in those days understand that the weeks were by the moon, and that at the end of the second week they would be a full moon.

This statement needs no interpretation. The people understood that the weeks were by the moon, same as the Jews in the Scriptures. If this is so then the sacred seventh day of the week, which comes at the end of the second week must be a full moon Sabbath (Psalms 81:3-6). Why? Because in many places Philo speaks of the weekly seventh day, and we all know that the seventh day comes at the end of the week. People would like for us to believe that the months were originally by the moon but the weeks were not.

Philo was making an observation of how a person can be spiritually illuminated to a full brilliance just like a full moon at the height of its increase at the end of the second week.


Philo did not count the new moon when counting out the weeks as these calendars do today. This statement is very easily proven from the writings of Philo because he states in other places thought his book that the full moon is on the 15th each month and he also separates the new moon as a separate feast day, from the weeks. Writers today would instead count the new moon day in counting their weeks, but it is obvious from Philo that he did not count the new moon day when counting out the weeks. This is because at the end of the second week the full moon would be on the 14th instead of the 15th as Philo plainly declares many times.

 In other words you have your new moon worship day, then six workdays and then the weekly Sabbath on the 8th day of the moon (Ezech-46:1). You then have six more workdays and a full moon on day 15 or at the end of the second week or second seven, i.e. at the end of 14 days after the new moon worship day.

This proves the new moon was not counted in counting out the weeks same as YHWH did not count it in Exodus the 16th chapter when he made the Sabbath known to Moses. If the new moon was ever counted in counting out the weeks in Scripture, there would be pinpointed weekly Sabbaths on the 7th, 14th, 21st, 28th etc. Yet, you cannot find these days pinpointed anywhere in Scripture because these days are always preparation days for the weekly Sabbath. When Philo spoke of the 10th or 15th day of the month, he was counting the new moon day in his count, but it is an absolute that when he counted out the week, he did not count the new moon, which in itself proves lunar weeks. Remember Philo is just stating “how” things were done in his day.

 

Continuing on with Philo:

THE DECALOGUE XXX (159)

”But to the seventh day of the week he has assigned the greatest festivals, those of the longest duration, at the periods of the equinox both vernal and autumnal and autumnal in each year; appointing two festivals for thse two epochs, each lasting seven days; the one which teakes place in the spring being for the perfection of what is being sown, and the one which falls in autumn being a feast of thanksgiving for the bringing home of all the fruits which the trees have produced”…

Let’s look carefully at what Philo is saying. But to the seventh day of the week He has assigned the greatest festivals, in other words the greatest (longest) festivals have been assigned to the seventh day of the week and we know from scripture that the 15th begins both of these  Festival and lasts for seven days. Philo just calls it the 7th day of the week. We know both of these seven day feasts begin on the 15th (Sabbath). Each of them lasts for seven days, and each one of these 7 day events were assigned to the seventh day of the week (15th) or weekly Sabbath which begins the Feast and it lasts seven days.

Philo goes on to say that each month (1st and 7th) should receive an especial honor of one sacred day of festival, for the purpose of refreshing and clearing the mind with its holiday.

Notice he did not say they would receive two holydays of festivals, but one, the 15th. To prove the seventh day of the week is the same as the 15th, elsewhere Philo states,

"Again the beginning of this feast is appointed for the fifteenth day of the month (or seventh day of the week) on account of the reason which has already been mentioned respecting the Spring season might receive special honor of one sacred day of festival." {THE TENTH FESTIVAL XXXIII. (210) In other words, Philo is saying the weekly Sabbath begins these feasts, and is on the 15th. This proves the Sabbaths by the lunar calendar because there is no way the weekly Sabbath (15th) can begin these two festivals on the 15th in the 1st and 7th month each year, on a continuous seven day cycle by the calendar of today.


 Let’s continue:

F.H. Colson’s translation of THE DECALOGUE XXX (159) reads,

”The fourth, which treats of the seventh day, must be regarded as nothing less than a gathering under one "head" of the feasts and the purifications ordained for each feasts, the proper lustrations and the acceptable prayers and flawless sacrifices with which the ritual was carried out. By the seventh I mean both the seventh which "includes" the most creative of numbers, six, and that which does "not include" it but takes precedence of "it" and "resembles" the unit. "Both" these are employed by Him in reckoning the feast-times.” (Colson’s translation of Philo.)

What can be plainer than that? Let's analyze it. "The fourth, which treats of the seventh day, must be regarded as nothing less than a gathering under one "head" of the feasts." How can the weekly Sabbath day be regarded as a gathering under one head of the feasts unless it heads these feast i.e. begins them each year? This also proves Lunar Sabbaths.


Philo continues by saying,


“by the seventh I mean “both” the seventh which "includes" the most creative of numbers, six, and that which does "not include" it but takes precedence of it and "resembles" the unit."

The word precedence means it comes before the number six during the feasts, i.e. one of the sevenths comes before the number six during the 7 day feast and the other seventh comes after it and is combined with it. This is impossible if he used the count for the Sabbath as the people of today.

The word precedence also has a footnote that has the actual Greek word and states, "the verb, derived from the adverb ……., seem to be used as a thing which gets in front of something else and obscures it so here the idea may be that the unit or monad does not need six to make it equivalent to seven." (Spec. Leg. Iv.52).

This seventh is the weekly seventh and is in front of the six days during the feasts because to the weekly seventh day he has assigned these feasts. The footnote that says "…here the idea may be that the unit or monad does not need six to make it equivalent to seven…" This is because this single unit or monad does not need six to make it equivalent to seven because it is a seventh and both Yonge's and Colson’s translation says it is made to resemble the unit/first or number one.


Last but not least it says, "Both” these are "employed" by Him in reckoning the feast-“times." You cannot reckon feast-times with a seventh that jumps around during the 7 day feast, on a man-made calendar. Both the sevens have to be fixed not just the one that is on the 21st or last day of the feast because He employed both sevens in reckoning the feast-times. If one of the sevenths could move it would also fall on the 21st at times and would also be combined with the number six and then there would be only one seventh .

 I could go on and on with quotations from Philo, but anyone can call me at 770.483.8542 if you’d like to discuss this matter further. To close we will place the facts from Philo from both the Yonge and Colson translations.


 

FACT #1: Both translation state that the full moon is at the end of the second week which has been argued that the weeks have nothing to do with the moon.


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FACT #2: They both state that the full moon is on the 15th.


FACT #3: They both teach that the 15th begins both of the 7-day feasts/festivals each year, which is the same 15th/full moon that is at the end of the second week. (This is impossible with the Roman calendar)

The question is, could this same 15th be the weekly seventh day that the festivals are assigned to? He says both of these festivals has been assigned to the seventh day of the week, yes it is the 15th that is at the end of the second week and it is the 7th day of the lunar week and the same seventh day that begins theses feasts. They were keeping lunar weeks, let’s examine fact number four and see.


FACT #4: Both translations conclusively teach that they are two sevenths in each of these festivals and both are connected in some way with the number six.
When Philo states that there are two sevenths in both the festival of unleavened bread and the festival of booths is he somehow missing the point Saturday sabbatarians would bring up today - that there is a third seventh that will hit in between the 15th and the 21st the majority of years that the feasts come around? Why does Philo not mention this third seventh? It is because none exists. Philo only mention two sevenths in relation to the feast and the first of these two sevenths is none other than the weekly seventh day Sabbath that leads the feasts and is considered the first day of the feast - the 15th.

 

Does Philo speak about the Sabbaths in connection with the waxing and waning of the moon?


On page 17 of Ralph Marcus' translation of Philo’s work entitled “Questions and Answers, Exodus, Book 1”: in says,
“9. (Ex. xii. 6a) Why does He command (them) to keep the sacrifice until the fourteenth (day of the month)?
(Consisting of) two Sabbaths, it has in its nature a (special) honour because in this time the moon is adorned. For when it has become full on the fourteenth (day), it becomes full of light in the perception of the people. And again through (another) fourteen (days) it recedes from its fullness of light to its conjunction, and it wanes as much in comparison with the preceding Sabbath as the second (waxes) in comparison with the first. For this reason the fourteenth (day) is pre-festive, as though (it were) a road leading to festive rejoicings, during which it is incumbent upon us to meditate”.

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 07/10/2012 15:14
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23:1 Entonces habló Jesús a la gente y a sus discípulos, diciendo: (CAPITULO 23 ES UN NEXO CON LOS 2300 DIAS, JUBILEO, PENTECOSTES EN EL CONTEXTO A DANIEL 8 Y 9)

23:2 En la cátedra de Moisés se sientan los escribas y los fariseos.
23:3 Así que, todo lo que os digan que guardéis, guardadlo y hacedlo; mas no hagáis conforme a sus obras, porque dicen, y no hacen.
23:4 Porque atan cargas pesadas y difíciles de llevar, y las ponen sobre los hombros de los hombres; pero ellos ni con un dedo quieren moverlas. (Una referencia al shabbat/jubileo/Pentecostes. El dedo es una referencia al DEDO DE DIOS/TABLAS DE LA LEY DE LOS 10 MANDAMIENTOS)

23:5 Antes, hacen todas sus obras para ser vistos por los hombres. Pues ensanchan sus filacterias, y extienden los flecos de sus mantos;
23:6 y aman los primeros asientos en las cenas, y las primeras sillas en las sinagogas,
23:7 y las salutaciones en las plazas, y que los hombres los llamen: Rabí, Rabí.
23:8 Pero vosotros no queráis que os llamen Rabí; porque uno es vuestro Maestro, el Cristo, y todos vosotros sois hermanos.
MASTER/MAESTRO/MOTHER-SON/MOTHER-STAR/MASON- 
23:9 Y no llaméis padre vuestro a nadie en la tierra; porque uno es vuestro Padre, el que está en los cielos.
23:10 Ni seáis llamados maestros; porque uno es vuestro Maestro, el Cristo.
MASTER/MAESTRO/MOTHER-SON/MOTHER-STAR/MASON-
23:11 El que es el mayor de vosotros, sea vuestro siervo. (Una clara referencia espiritual al SALMO 119 (ALFA Y EL OMEGA, EL PRINCIPIO Y EL FIN), APOCALIPSIS 1:8 Y 22:13))
¿RESURRECCION DE CRISTO AL TERCER DIA ES SIMBOLO DEL
23:12 Porque el que se enaltece será humillado, y el que se humilla será enaltecido.
23:13 Mas ¡ay de vosotros, escribas y fariseos, hipócritas! porque cerráis el reino de los cielos delante de los hombres; pues ni entráis vosotros, ni dejáis entrar a los que están entrando.
23:14 ¡Ay de vosotros, escribas y fariseos, hipócritas! porque devoráis las casas de las viudas, y como pretexto hacéis largas oraciones; por esto recibiréis mayor condenación. (Una OBVIA REFERENCIA A LA CONSPIRACION CONTRA LA VIUDA/MARIA MAGDALENA en un obvio nexo con el SALMO 119)

23:15 ¡Ay de vosotros, escribas y fariseos, hipócritas! porque recorréis mar y tierra para hacer un prosélito, y una vez hecho, le hacéis dos veces más hijo del infierno que vosotros. (Una referencia al TERCER DIA DE LA CREACION/TERCER DIA DE RESURRECCION ADONDE JUSTAMENTE CRISTO SE LE APARECIO POR PRIMERA VEZ A NUESTRA MADRE MARIA MAGDALENA. ESTA TODO CODIFICADO PARA GLORIA DE YHWH)
¿RESURRECCION DE CRISTO AL TERCER DIA ES SIMBOLO DEL
23:16 ¡Ay de vosotros, guías ciegos! que decís: Si alguno jura por el templo, no es nada; pero si alguno jura por el oro del templo, es deudor.
23:17 ¡Insensatos y ciegos! porque ¿cuál es mayor, el oro, o el templo que santifica al oro? (EL ORO ES EL GRIAL)
 
Colosenses
2:1 Porque quiero que sepáis cuán gran lucha sostengo por vosotros, y por los que están en Laodicea, y por todos los que nunca han visto mi rostro;
 

2:2 para que sean consolados sus corazones, unidos en amor, hasta alcanzar todas las riquezas de pleno entendimiento, a fin de conocer el misterio de Dios el Padre, y de Cristo,
2:3 en quien están escondidos todos los tesoros de la sabiduría y del conocimiento. (sabiduria/sophia y conocimiento/gnosis)
 

2:4 Y esto lo digo para que nadie os engañe con palabras persuasivas.
2:5 Porque aunque estoy ausente en cuerpo, no obstante en espíritu estoy con vosotros, gozándome y mirando vuestro buen orden y la firmeza de vuestra fe en Cristo.
2:6 Por tanto, de la manera que habéis recibido al Señor Jesucristo, andad en él;
2:7 arraigados y sobreedificados en él, y confirmados en la fe, así como habéis sido enseñados, abundando en acciones de gracias.
2:8 Mirad que nadie os engañe por medio de filosofías y huecas sutilezas, según las tradiciones de los hombres, conforme a los rudimentos del mundo, y no según Cristo. (FILOSO-PHI-A/S-O-PHI-A/O-PHI-R/SALMO 45:9)
 

2:9 Porque en él habita corporalmente toda la plenitud de la Deidad,
2:10 y vosotros estáis completos en él, que es la cabeza de todo principado y potestad.
2:11 En él también fuisteis circuncidados con circuncisión no hecha a mano, al echar de vosotros el cuerpo pecaminoso carnal, en la circuncisión de Cristo; (CIRCUNCISION/NUMERO 8/ISHTAR)
 
2:12 sepultados con él en el bautismo, en el cual fuisteis también resucitados con él, mediante la fe en el poder de Dios que le levantó de los muertos. (EL 8 ES EL NUMERO DE LA RESURRECCION)
2:13 Y a vosotros, estando muertos en pecados y en la incircuncisión de vuestra carne, os dio vida juntamente con él, perdonándoos todos los pecados,
2:14 anulando el acta de los decretos que había contra nosotros, que nos era contraria, quitándola de en medio y clavándola en la cruz,
2:15 y despojando a los principados y a las potestades, los exhibió públicamente, triunfando sobre ellos en la cruz.
2:16 Por tanto, nadie os juzgue en comida o en bebida, o en cuanto a días de fiesta, luna nueva o días de reposo, (Alli Pablo le dice que NINGUN JUDIO los puede juzgar por guardar las FIESTAS, lunas nuevas y sabados. Pablo le esta escribiendo a los COLOSENSES/GENTILES)
2:17 todo lo cual es sombra de lo que ha de venir; pero el cuerpo es de Cristo.
2:18 Nadie os prive de vuestro premio, afectando humildad y culto a los ángeles, entremetiéndose en lo que no ha visto, vanamente hinchado por su propia mente carnal,
2:19 y no asiéndose de la Cabeza, en virtud de quien todo el cuerpo, nutriéndose y uniéndose por las coyunturas y ligamentos, crece con el crecimiento que da Dios.
2:20 Pues si habéis muerto con Cristo en cuanto a los rudimentos del mundo, ¿por qué, como si vivieseis en el mundo, os sometéis a preceptos
2:21 tales como: No manejes, ni gustes, ni aun toques
2:22 (en conformidad a mandamientos y doctrinas de hombres), cosas que todas se destruyen con el uso?
2:23 Tales cosas tienen a la verdad cierta reputación de sabiduría en culto voluntario, en humildad y en duro trato del cuerpo; pero no tienen valor alguno contra los apetitos de la carne.

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 08/10/2012 00:51
 
Ester
9:1 En el mes duodécimo, que es el mes de Adar, a los trece días del mismo mes, cuando debía ser ejecutado el mandamiento del rey y su decreto, el mismo día en que los enemigos de los judíos esperaban enseñorearse de ellos, sucedió lo contrario; porque los judíos se enseñorearon de los que los aborrecían.
9:2 Los judíos se reunieron en sus ciudades, en todas las provincias del rey Asuero, para descargar su mano sobre los que habían procurado su mal, y nadie los pudo resistir, porque el temor de ellos había caído sobre todos los pueblos.
9:3 Y todos los príncipes de las provincias, los sátrapas, capitanes y oficiales del rey, apoyaban a los judíos; porque el temor de Mardoqueo había caído sobre ellos.
9:4 Pues Mardoqueo era grande en la casa del rey, y su fama iba por todas las provincias; Mardoqueo iba engrandeciéndose más y más. (MARDOQUEO/MARDUC/MARTE ES UN TIPO/SIMBOLO DEL GRIAL. ISTAR EN LA MITOLOGIA ERA LA MADRE DE MARDUK. MARCOS(DERIVADO DE MARTE) ES EL HIJO DE CRISTO Y MARIA MAGDALENA) 
 
9:5 Y asolaron los judíos a todos sus enemigos a filo de espada, y con mortandad y destrucción, e hicieron con sus enemigos como quisieron.
9:6 En Susa capital del reino mataron y destruyeron los judíos a quinientos hombres.
9:7 Mataron entonces a Parsandata, Dalfón, Aspata,
9:8 Porata, Adalía, Aridata,
9:9 Parmasta, Arisai, Aridai y Vaizata,
9:10 diez hijos de Amán hijo de Hamedata, enemigo de los judíos; pero no tocaron sus bienes.
9:11 El mismo día se le dio cuenta al rey acerca del número de los muertos en Susa, residencia real. (Hay un NEXO 911 CON LA VIRGEN DE LOURDES. EL 11/2/1858 FUE UN 13 DE ADAR. ¿PORQUE FRANCIA FUE LA QUE DONO LA ESTATUA DE LA LIBERTAD A LOS EEUU?.¿PORQUE FRANCIA INCLUSO AYUDO A LA INDEPENDENCIA DE LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS? ¿PORQUE FUE UN FRANCES, OSEA MONTESQUIEU, EL QUE DISEÑO SU CONSTITUCION?. Desde el 11 de Septiembre del 2001 (Yom Kipur en contexto a que la luna llena fue un 2 de septiembre) hasta el 11 de febrero tenemos 153 dias (Numero muy interrelacionado con Maria Magdalena). Kipur tiene una analogia a purim.) 
 

9:12 Y dijo el rey a la reina Ester: En Susa capital del reino los judíos han matado a quinientos hombres, y a diez hijos de Amán. ¿Qué habrán hecho en las otras provincias del rey? ¿Cuál, pues, es tu petición? y te será concedida; ¿o qué más es tu demanda? y será hecha.
9:13 Y respondió Ester: Si place al rey, concédase también mañana a los judíos en Susa, que hagan conforme a la ley de hoy; y que cuelguen en la horca a los diez hijos de Amán. (Aman/Amalec es del linaje de ESAU/ROJO. Genesis 36)
9:14 Y mandó el rey que se hiciese así. Se dio la orden en Susa, y colgaron a los diez hijos de Amán.
9:15 Y los judíos que estaban en Susa se juntaron también el catorce del mes de Adar, y mataron en Susa a trescientos hombres; pero no tocaron sus bienes.
9:16 En cuanto a los otros judíos que estaban en las provincias del rey, también se juntaron y se pusieron en defensa de su vida, y descansaron de sus enemigos, y mataron de sus contrarios a setenta y cinco mil; pero no tocaron sus bienes.
9:17 Esto fue en el día trece del mes de Adar, y reposaron en el día catorce del mismo, y lo hicieron día de banquete y de alegría.
9:18 Pero los judíos que estaban en Susa se juntaron el día trece y el catorce del mismo mes, y el quince del mismo reposaron y lo hicieron día de banquete y de regocijo(Hay un obvio NEXO LUNAR. EL VERDADERO SHABBAT ES CON LAS FASES DE LA LUNA LOS DIAS 8, 15, 22 Y 29 CON LUNA LLENA EL PRIMERO) 
 CALENDARIO HEBREO-SHABBAT LUNAR
9:19 Por tanto, los judíos aldeanos que habitan en las villas sin muro hacen a los catorce del mes de Adar el día de alegría y de banquete, un día de regocijo, y para enviar porciones cada uno a su vecino.
9:20 Y escribió Mardoqueo estas cosas, y envió cartas a todos los judíos que estaban en todas las provincias del rey Asuero, cercanos y distantes,
9:21 ordenándoles que celebrasen el día decimocuarto del mes de Adar, y el decimoquinto del mismo, cada año, (PURIM ES EL "CARNAVAL" JUDIO)
9:22 como días en que los judíos tuvieron paz de sus enemigos, y como el mes que de tristeza se les cambió en alegría, y de luto en día bueno; que los hiciesen días de banquete y de gozo, y para enviar porciones cada uno a su vecino, y dádivas a los pobres.
9:23 Y los judíos aceptaron hacer, según habían comenzado, lo que les escribió Mardoqueo.
9:24 Porque Amán hijo de Hamedata agagueo, enemigo de todos los judíos, había ideado contra los judíos un plan para destruirlos, y había echado Pur, que quiere decir suerte, para consumirlos y acabar con ellos. (Hay un nexo con la SEÑAL DE JONAS, EN EL CONTEXTO A LA SUERTE)
 75. Jonás 1:7: Y dijeron cada uno a su compañero: Venid y echemos SUERTEs, para que sepamos por causa de quién nos ha venido este mal. Y echaron SUERTEs, y la SUERTE cayó sobre Jonás.

9:25 Mas cuando Ester vino a la presencia del rey, él ordenó por carta que el perverso designio que aquél trazó contra los judíos recayera sobre su cabeza; y que colgaran a él y a sus hijos en la horca.
9:26 Por esto llamaron a estos días Purim, por el nombre Pur. Y debido a las palabras de esta carta, y por lo que ellos vieron sobre esto, y lo que llevó a su conocimiento,
9:27 los judíos establecieron y tomaron sobre sí, sobre su descendencia y sobre todos los allegados a ellos, que no dejarían de celebrar estos dos días según está escrito tocante a ellos, conforme a su tiempo cada año;
9:28 y que estos días serían recordados y celebrados por todas las generaciones, familias, provincias y ciudades; que estos días de Purim no dejarían de ser guardados por los judíos, y que su descendencia jamás dejaría de recordarlos.
9:29 Y la reina Ester hija de Abihail, y Mardoqueo el judío, suscribieron con plena autoridad esta segunda carta referente a Purim.
9:30 Y fueron enviadas cartas a todos los judíos, a las ciento veintisiete provincias del rey Asuero, con palabras de paz y de verdad,
9:31 para confirmar estos días de Purim en sus tiempos señalados, según les había ordenado Mardoqueo el judío y la reina Ester, y según ellos habían tomado sobre sí y sobre su descendencia, para conmemorar el fin de los ayunos y de su clamor.
9:32 Y el mandamiento de Ester confirmó estas celebraciones acerca de Purim, y esto fue registrado en un libro.
 

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http://www.bayithamashiyach.com/Lunar_year_2012-13.pdf

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 14/10/2012 03:19

How did Satyrday become the seventh day sabbath?

Unread postby JaysCharl » September 13th, 2012, 10:47 pm

Shalom everyone in Yahusho our Messiah's Name,

Has anyone ever looked into how the name Saturday or Satyrday became the so called sabbath? Remember there is always a conterfeits, Sunday was the obvouis one and "Satyrday" is the concealed one.... here is some quotes from studies I've done on this subject.....

"I admit it, Israel worshiped on Satyrday. But you have borne the tabernacle of your moloch [king] and Chiun your images, the star of your God which you made for yourselves. Amos 5:26.
Chiun is the Hebrew word for Saturn. But that does not mean their worship was acceptable to YHVH. In this verse Amos sees a day where Israel worships a star-god that they would make for themselves which means that Israel would have been in apostasy at that time. Stephen, in Acts 7:43 quotes Amos and is translated as Remphan, which is Greek for Saturn.Satyrday is ONLY a day found on the pagan seven day planetary week. Satyrday was the first
day (not the seventh) of this pagan calendar week from at LEAST 800 B.C. and perhaps further back. The Father’s calendar is found in the sun and moon (the two great lights), not in the planets. Why am I spelling it satyrday instead of saturn’s day? Because Saturn and the Satyr are both linked to the same false system of worship. Do this word study with your concordance. Isaiah 13:21 says… But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and
satyrs shall dance there.The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest. Isaiah 34:14 In both cases, the Hebrew word here translated as satyr is Strong’s H8163. It would seem that the Father stopped Israel’s Satyrday observance early on. Speaking to Israel after their deliverance from Egypt, YHVH said… And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them
throughout their generations. Leviticus 17:7. Notice the word for devils (below).
And they shall no 3808 more 5750 offer 2076 (853) their sacrifices 2077 unto devils, 8163 after 310 whom 834 they 1992 have gone a whoring. 2181 This 2063 shall be 1961 a statute 2708 forever 5769 unto them throughout their generations. 1755 Same Hebrew word, H 8163, Satyrs.
Jeroboam and his sons were later cursed for leading Israel BACK into idolatry. II Chronicles 11:15 says… And he [Jeroboam] ordained 5975 him priests 3548 for the high places, 1116 and for the devils, 8163 and for the calves 5695 which 834 he had made. 6213 Same Hebrew word, H 8163, Satyrs.
Jeroboam brought back what YHVH had removed from Israel in Leviticus 17. And nearly every time Jeroboam’s name is mentioned thereafter it is either prefaced or followed by the statement,who has made my people Israel to sin. Amos reminded Israel of their Satyrday idolatry, Stephen repeated it and it got him killed.Some people are touchy about their idolatry. I hope you are not and that you are willing to examine why the Father calls Satyrday worship idolatry. Satyrday was not the 7th day of the week until 321 A.D. when Rome adopted the pagan seven day planetary week. Satyrday was
the first day of this seven day week for its entire history (during the time Scripture was being written), and not promoted (demoted actually) until Constantine venerated the day of the sun, supplanting Satyrday as the first day of the week."
There is more let me know and I will show you how Abba gave us not Saturday but the 7th ,15th, 22nd, 29th day from Renewed Full Moon (Rosh Chodesh)....
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    De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 01/11/2012 17:58
    Birkat HaJodesh y Shabat Bereshit

    Extraído de Nosotros en el tiempo. Rab Eliahu Kitov

     

     

     

    Rab Eliahu Kitov

     

    El Shabat que precede a Rosh Jodesh ["comienzo de mes"], se recita una bendición especial para el nuevo mes entrante. El día [o los días] en que acaecerá Rosh Jodesh se anuncia antes del comienzo de las plegarias de Musaf. Este anuncio, junto a las plegarias que lo anteceden y lo suceden, recibe el nombre de Birkat HaJodesh, Bendición para el Nuevo Mes (Sidur, pág. 191). El Shabat en el cual sucede todo ello se denomina Shabat Mevarjím ["el Shabat en que bendecimos"].

    Birkat HaJodesh, la "Bendición del Mes", se recita sólo once veces en el año [o doce, en un año hebreo de 13 meses] pues no se dice antes del comienzo del mes de Tishrei (…). Por lo tanto, la primera vez del año en que se recita es luego de las Festividades -el último Shabat del mes de Tishrei-, en honor al mes de Jeshván que se aproxima.

    Esta plegaria especial se recita en Shabat porque es entonces cuando todos se encuentran reunidos en la sinagoga, incluso aquellos que no asisten habitualmente a los servicios de los días de semana. Es importante conocer con anticipación en qué día acaecerá Rosh Jodesh para saber cuándo deben recitarse las plegarias especiales que se agregan en él, y para que las mujeres se abstengan de las tareas que no realizan en Rosh Jodesh.

    La bendición pública del nuevo mes también conmemora la consagración pública del mes que en la antigüedad llevaba a cabo mensualmente el Sanhedrín en Jerusalén.

    Esta consagración era un acontecimiento muy relevante, acompañada de bendiciones y alabanzas a Di-s. Los Sabios ancianos del Sanhedrín y los habitantes más eminentes de Jerusalén se sentaban y aguardaban el arribo de testigos que declararan haber visto la luna nueva. Al llegar estos, eran examinados minusciosamente, y si sus testimonios coincidían y reunían los requisitos necesarios, el beit din (Tribunal) anunciaba: "¡Consagrado es el mes, consagrado!" Luego recitaban tres bendiciones sobre una copa de vino: la del vino (boré prí hagáfen), otra de agradecimiento a Di-s por habernos revelado los principios sobre los que se basa nuestro calendario ("Bendito eres Tú, Di-s nuestro Señor, rey del universo, quien reveló el secreto de la renovación de la luna, enseñó e instruyó acerca de tiempos nuevos y días festivos, designó hombres de entendimiento que dispusieran las épocas... Bendito eres Tú, Di-s, quien santifica a Israel y a los comienzos del mes").

    Al concluir esta bendición, exclamaba: "¡Alabad a Di s pues El es bueno!" Luego, una tercera implorando la pronta llegada del Profeta Eliahu con el Mashíaj y el regocijo de Israel ("El Profeta Eliahu pronto vendrá a nosotros, el Rey Mashíaj florecerá en nuestros días; como este día, en Jerusalén todos nos regocijaremos con la construcción del Beit HaMikdash. Multiplíquense los días festivos en Israel, multiplíquense los estudiantes de la Torá en Israel. Consagrado es el mes, consagrado... consagrado en la Torá, consagrado en la ley, consagrado en los planos superiores, consagrado en los planos inferiores, consagrado. Bendito eres Tú, Di s, consagrado en Tzión, consagrado en Jerusalén, consagrado en todo Israel, consagrado en boca de nuestros maestros, consagrado en el concilio"). Al concluir esta bendición, exclamaba: "¡Alabad a Di s pues El es bueno!"

    Dado que la mitzvá de la Santificación de los Nuevos Meses fue la primera que recibió el pueblo de Israel al ser liberado de la esclavitud en Egipto, y en razón de que la celebración de todas las Festividades y el cumplimiento de las mitzvot ligadas a ellas depen den del cálculo del calendario, el Sanhedrín cumplía esta mitzvá con un profundo sentimiento de gratitud, alabanza y bendiciones.

    En algunas comunidades es costumbre recitar todo el Libro de Salmos en la mañana, antes de las plegarias de Shajarit.

    Corresponde saber con precisión el momento exacto en que aparecerá la Luna Nueva [molad - "el nacimiento"] antes de recitar Birkat HaJodesh. Por lo tanto, es costumbre anunciarlo antes de comenzar la plegaria.

    En Shabat Mevarjím no se recita la plegaria de El Malé Rajamím por las almas de los difuntos, ni tampoco Av HaRajamím antes de Ashréi (Sidur, pág. 191), pues se considera un día especialmente alegre. Sin embargo, en los Shabat Mevarjím durante la cuenta del omer [es decir, los anteriores a los meses de Iyar y Siván] y antes del mes de Av, algunos acostumbran a decir Av HaRajamím debido al espíritu de dolor y aflicción que predomina en esos tiempos. Según otras autoridades, el único Shabat Mevarjím en que se dice Av HaRajamím es el que antecede al mes de Siván, y esa es la costumbre en Jabad. De acuerdo a la costumbre del Gaón de Vilna, Av HaRajamím se omite en todos los Shabat Mevarjím salvo el del mes de Av.

    SHABAT BERESHIT

    El primer Shabat luego de la Festividad de Sucot recibe el nombre de Shabat Bereshit pues en él se lee parshat Bereshit, la primera sección de la Torá.

    En las comunidades ashkenazíes es costumbre que luego de Minjá de Shabat se comienza a recitar el salmo Barjí Nafshí ("Bendice, alma mía... ", Salmo 104) y los quince salmos que comienzan con Shir HaMaalot ("Canción de las Ascensiones", ibíd. 120 134). Estos se dicen durante todo el invierno boreal hasta Shabat HaGadol, el Shabat anterior a Pesaj.

    La relación entre Barjí Nafshí y Shabat Bereshit es que en la sección de Bereshit se relata la creación del mundo, y este salmo describe las maravillas de la Creación. También los quince salmos de Shir HaMaalot reflejan este tema. Los Sabios dijeron:

    Cuando David cavó los cimientos para el altar, se encontró con el abismo y éste amenazaba ascender e inundar al mundo. Entonces escribió el Sagrado Nombre de Di s y lo arrojó en él haciéndolo retroceder 16000 amot -unos 8000 mts.- y quedó sellado. Cuando David vio que el abismo había descendido demasiado, dijo: "Cuanto más cerca esté de la superficie, mejor regará la tierra". Recitó entonces los quince salmos de Shir HaMaalot y lo hizo ascender 15000 amot -unos 7500 mts.-quedando a 1000 amot de la superficie. De esta forma, estos salmos resultaron un medio de subsistencia para todo el mundo, pues sin ellos no habría agua y todos morirían de sed (Talmud, Sucá 53a).

    Ciertamente, correspondería recitarlos durante el año entero, ya que el Shabat conmemora la obra de la Creación. Sin embargo, en el verano boreal, son reemplazados por Pirkéi Avot (Etica de Nuestros Padres; Sidur, pág. 211 y ss.). Por lo tanto, se recitan desde Shabat Bereshit y durante todo el invierno [boreal].


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    Ezequiel 8

    1. En el sexto año, en el mes sexto, a los cinco días del mes, aconteció que estaba yo sentado en mi casa, y los ancianos de Judá estaban sentados delante de mí, y allí se posó sobre mí la mano de Jehová el Señor.
    2. Y miré, y he aquí una figura que parecía de hombre; desde sus lomos para abajo, fuego; y desde sus lomos para arriba parecía resplandor, el aspecto de bronce refulgente.
    3. Y aquella figura extendió la mano, y me tomó por las guedejas de mi cabeza; y el Espíritu me alzó entre el cielo y la tierra, y me llevó en visiones de Dios a Jerusalén, a la entrada de la puerta de adentro que mira hacia el norte, donde estaba la habitación de la imagen del celo, la que provoca a celos.
    4. Y he aquí, allí estaba la gloria del Dios de Israel, como la visión que yo había visto en el campo.
    5. Y me dijo: Hijo de hombre, alza ahora tus ojos hacia el lado del norte. Y alcé mis ojos hacia el norte, y he aquí al norte, junto a la puerta del altar, aquella imagen del celo en la entrada.
    6. Me dijo entonces: Hijo de hombre, ¿no ves lo que éstos hacen, las grandes abominaciones que la casa de Israel hace aquí para alejarme de mi santuario? Pero vuélvete aún, y verás abominaciones mayores.
    7. Y me llevó a la entrada del atrio, y miré, y he aquí en la pared un agujero.
    8. Y me dijo: Hijo de hombre, cava ahora en la pared. Y cavé en la pared, y he aquí una puerta.
    9. Me dijo luego: Entra, y ve las malvadas abominaciones que éstos hacen allí.
    10. Entré, pues, y miré; y he aquí toda forma de reptiles y bestias abominables, y todos los ídolos de la casa de Israel, que estaban pintados en la pared por todo alrededor.
    11. Y delante de ellos estaban setenta varones de los ancianos de la casa de Israel, y Jaazanías hijo de Safán en medio de ellos, cada uno con su incensario en su mano; y subía una nube espesa de incienso.
    12. Y me dijo: Hijo de hombre, ¿has visto las cosas que los ancianos de la casa de Israel hacen en tinieblas, cada uno en sus cámaras pintadas de imágenes? Porque dicen ellos: No nos ve Jehová; Jehová ha abandonado la tierra.
    13. Me dijo después: Vuélvete aún, verás abominaciones mayores que hacen éstos.
    14. Y me llevó a la entrada de la puerta de la casa de Jehová, que está al norte; y he aquí mujeres que estaban allí sentadas endechando a Tamuz.
    15. Luego me dijo: ¿No ves, hijo de hombre? Vuélvete aún, verás abominaciones mayores que estas.
    16. Y me llevó al atrio de adentro de la casa de Jehová; y he aquí junto a la entrada del templo de Jehová, entre la entrada y el altar, como veinticinco varones, sus espaldas vueltas al templo de Jehová y sus rostros hacia el oriente, y adoraban al sol, postrándose hacia el oriente.
    17. Y me dijo: ¿No has visto, hijo de hombre? ¿Es cosa liviana para la casa de Judá hacer las abominaciones que hacen aquí? Después que han llenado de maldad la tierra, se volvieron a mí para irritarme; he aquí que aplican el ramo a sus narices.
    18. Pues también yo procederé con furor; no perdonará mi ojo, ni tendré misericordia; y gritarán a mis oídos con gran voz, y no los oiré.

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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Lori B » August 4th, 2012, 12:50 am

    May Abba bless you Jean as you pray over this & implement this into your life. I haven't come to a conclusion yet, but am also seeing this belief in a new light. Let's just say I wouldn't be shocked anymore if this turns out to be truth. The whole understanding of the full moon as new moon makes this much easier to accept. Abba seems to be pouring out truth in buckets on those who wish to follow Him - wherever He leads. Somebody earlier in this post talked about how we may have nothing to go by at some point, except the moon, for knowing what day it is; I believe there is truth in that statement. Shalom....
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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Zetitic » August 4th, 2012, 2:24 pm

    Ok been trying to wrap this mind around time keeping for some time.. So in keeping the shbbt on the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th days of the month. Is this an every month (12 months of the year occasionally a 13th month) observance? A bit of confusion here, so please bare with me. Have not had much interaction with others on this subject due to their inability to explain themselves or even participate in dialogue that may put a damper on their current belief structure.
    Is it possible that the 8th, 15th,22nd and 29th are new moon(ths) which are not exactly every month? Maybe like a breaking in of a season? Just curious as to others thoughts on this. ZeTiTiC
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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Jean Valjean » August 4th, 2012, 2:43 pm

    "Is it possible that the 8th, 15th,22nd and 29th are new moon(ths) which are not exactly every month? Maybe like a breaking in of a season?"

    Not too sure of your meaning here, Zetitic. Could you please rephrase your question and throw a little more light on your thought?

    It might help to recall that the numbers of the days of the New Moons (months) were intended to serve as the ONLY identifying markers for the individual days: i.e., none of the days were given names as they are in all of the Pagan systems, but only ordinal numbers. So all months, including the occasional 13th month, would include an 8th, a 15th, a 22nd and a 29th day.
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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Zetitic » August 4th, 2012, 4:08 pm

    Please forgive me for the lack of details. My better half gets onto me often 'bout that. And i may have to ask for forgiveness on that again later. lol.
    Ok, so in regards to the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th falling on shabbat. Is this to occur every month?
    Outside of having to deal w/ the babylonian system, all other calendars and words/names should be dropped. For the sake of this time keeping topic we will continue with strictly numbers.
    In-front of me is a timekeeper, where Moon(th's)#; 1, 4, 7, 10 all having alignment with the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th falling on SHBBT (a set of #'d days not necessarily s.a.t.day but maybe) which would include the 1st day of the Yr as well. Months #; 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 11 and 12 do not coincide in regards to the 8,15,22 and 29, day SHBBT...
    It would make it so much easier to post it, but permission has not been granted to make a public display as of yet. Basically right now it could cause many problems. What is needed is a specific point in time to reference a beginning that can be visually noted, otherwise such a timekeeper could be started anywhere/time. Very interested in sharing behind the scenes though, as long as YAH permits. z
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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Zetitic » August 4th, 2012, 6:39 pm

    Jean, you have given me the best brief discourse on the 8th,15th,22nd & 29th these ears ever did hear/ or eyes read. Maybe you have a way with words easy for my brain to intake. LOL Something old to revisit. Thank you for your input.
    As for what is in-front of me it is just a calendar of which can be shared. Even in its incomplete form. Where does it begin...... Gonna try to find out how to PM you. z
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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Brendan » August 4th, 2012, 7:43 pm

    Forgive me if this is an ignorant question, but where does Scripture say the New Moon day is a no-work day?
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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Lisa » August 4th, 2012, 8:24 pm

    Oh my word. :shock:.
    Say the word elliptic in the same sentence with plane and conjunction while illustrating how counting correlates to a pattern. Now let's dissect the meanings of hebrew words and unlearn a bunch a crap while a two year old screams 'Look at me do DIS' all day long. :cry:

    I was pouring over Enoch last night and this morning.
    I am barely grasping Enoch's explanation of the cycles of the sun and moon.
    Some of Enoch is clear to me (when a day begins...) at least.
    I can see the pattern which Enoch speaks about (NMDay precedes the beginning count of the 4 weekly Shabbats that occur every month)....but HOW Enoch (or Urial's explanation) explains how it all works is what is confusing to me.

    It seems to me that the significance of New Moon Day is to establish the head of each month -- then start counting work days. And it is apparent to me that the First New Moon day following the vernal equinox tells us when the 1st month of each new year begins.

    I'm confused about what New Moon Day is though. Shabbat? If so, what kind of Shabbat? Rest day? Or am I using the wrong word to describe New Moon Day?
    Also, doesn't moon and month mean different things (while being related)?! People keep equating these two words, and it's my understanding they can mean something slightly different.

    Are we supposed to cease work on New Moon Day? Or just blow the trumpet and praise Yah with a party? Or blow the trumpet and get on with work? But then wouldn't that count as a work day (which would throw Enoch's counting of work days off the 8th,15,th,22nd and 29th days)?

    Does anyone else have this dilemma in lack-of-understanding of what we should/can and should not/cannot do on New Moon Day?

    Part of the problem for me is the language usage. It's like reading ye olde englush written by a bushman who speaks xhosa tongue and likes his wine. Then he throws in some maths and geometry to really mess with me.

    Apparently, I'm a bear of vewy wittle bwain. Abba help me.

    In an abstract sense, I think I grasp what Jean said. What he thought was fact is now in question because it was based on an assumption, which may not be what we thought it was, therefore, we're doubling back to reconsider other things again which brings him to conclusions based on other established truths -- further opening up other possibilities. Does that about sum it up generally?

    You know. I have been agonising over this calendar thing since 2007. There have been many tears of frustration spilled over this topic for me. I've set aside the gregorian calendar when reading scripture. I know it's not right. I want to follow Yah's calendar.
    I KNOW Abba is trying to show me something with this New Moon Day thing. And I have long suspected we don't know with absolute certainty which day is the weekly Shabbat.

    I'm not asking to be spoonfed - I'm not lazy to read and search. I just don't understand this. I'm so at His mercy to get this.

    For now all I've got that I'm certain of is that Day begins when light breaks forth in the morning. 6 days we work and the 7th day we rest. When the full moon rises in the east as the sun is setting in the west - the following morning is New Moon day (of course, Enoch has now made me understand that sometimes there are 'two' full moons, so I am trying to grasp the yearly cycles or quarterly cycles of when they are 28/29/30 months - and it seems to be we should learn how to observe the moon so we know when it's going to be a month with 29 days or 30 or whatever part of the cycle we're in).

    It's clear as mud, huh.
    Sigh....please pray for me brethren. Shalom.
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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Jean Valjean » August 4th, 2012, 9:03 pm

    Brendan wrote:

    “Forgive me if this is an ignorant question, but where does Scripture say the New Moon day is a no-work day?”


    There is no particular verse which we can point to which states plainly that New Moon day is a no-work day, but we can deduce from the evidence given to us piecemeal by many verses that the New Moon day is a no-work day:

    Amos 8:4-5

    Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail; Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the Sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, falsifying the balances by deceit?

    2 Kings 4:23

    And he said, Wherefore wilt thou go to him today? it is neither new moon, nor sabbath.

    Ezekiel 46:3

    Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before YHWH in the sabbaths and the new moons.

    Numbers 10:10

    Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings…

    2 Chronicles 8:13

    Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moshe, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts…

    Hosea 2:11

    I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

    The entire chapter from 1 Samuel 20 gives a subtle look into the observance of the New Moon day and the attendant feast. The paper which Josie recently brought to our attention addresses this issue. The author, Emet Zerayah, gives a commanding explanation of the New Moon day, as well as the events of 1 Samuel 20. The article can be found at:

    http://eliyahsmessage.com/time.pdf

    Also, I apologize for confusing Brendan with Bradley, and for switching Chag Matzot for Yom HaKippurim in the question asked by Brendan earlier.
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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Jean Valjean » August 4th, 2012, 9:25 pm

    Lisa wrote:

    “In an abstract sense, I think I grasp what Jean said. What he thought was fact is now in question because it was based on an assumption, which may not be what we thought it was, therefore, we're doubling back to reconsider other things again which brings him to conclusions based on other established truths -- further opening up other possibilities. Does that about sum it up generally?”

    That sums it all up rather precisely, actually. Then:

    “Enoch has now made me understand that sometimes there are 'two' full moons”

    This is tied to the picture we are given in 1 Samuel 20.

    “I'm not asking to be spoonfed - I'm not lazy to read and search. I just don't understand this. I'm so at His mercy to get this.”

    Don’t make the mistake of thinking that any of us are on solid ground here. What we lacked in the past was a ‘key’ with which to unlock this mystery. If we could ever nail down one specific aspect of HIS Calendar, then we would be able, with exertion, to reveal the entire package and begin finally to observe His Commandments according to His Torah and to finally meet Him at the appointed times. We have now been given such a key, in the form of the New Moon. There is purchase now for our feet. We can find our bearings and piece this thing together entirely. And no one is going to leave a brother or a sister behind – so you should agonize less over the details. It’s too big to digest all at once.

    An important consideration with the Book of Enoch is that there is confusion, even in some of the translators themselves, as to what Enoch is saying. Sometimes in a single sentence, Enoch will be expounding on the one-fourteenth parts of light which the Moon attains and gives up; and he will make a parenthetical insertion about the full Moon being one seventh of the Sun’s full light. It is nearly impossible to decipher at first.

    The pieces are all coming to us sister. Have patience and faith – and remember that your brothers and sisters will all be moving only as fast as the slowest members as we proceed into and through the wilderness. If anyone becomes lost, the Shepherd will know what to do.
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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Lisa » August 4th, 2012, 11:19 pm

    Jean said:
    An important consideration with the Book of Enoch is that there is confusion, even in some of the translators themselves, as to what Enoch is saying. Sometimes in a single sentence, Enoch will be expounding on the one-fourteenth parts of light which the Moon attains and gives up; and he will make a parenthetical insertion about the full Moon being one seventh of the Sun’s full light. It is nearly impossible to decipher at first.


    And THAT? Is what I'm talking about!
    I am definitely not finding it remotely easy to always track where Enoch is headed in the texts. This is doing my head in. So I'm off to sleep now and hopefully Abba will give me wisdom and understanding - help me digest it as I rest tonight. It can happen (it's happened before).

    Jean said:
    The pieces are all coming to us sister. Have patience and faith – and remember that your brothers and sisters will all be moving only as fast as the slowest members as we proceed into and through the wilderness. If anyone becomes lost, the Shepherd will know what to do.


    Uhm, I think that would be me :oops: . I thank you all for your patience with me, in advance.
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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Jean Valjean » August 5th, 2012, 12:21 pm

    Lisa,

    Of course, your brother had no intention to impugn your intellect. Very often, this all comes down to a matter of perspective rather than genius. I also take note of the fact that it is usually the smartest people who are the slowest with respect to genuine biblical truths. Very little means what we think it means.
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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Lisa » August 5th, 2012, 3:01 pm

    Ahh, Jean - No offence was taken, nor did it even occur to me that you were inferring anything about my 'intellect' (lol). I'm simply trying to remain low and let Abba show me what's what. I'm striving more toward being in a state of reception than any intellectual pursuit. Thanks for the encouragement!
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    Re: Are weeks counted from New Moon Day?

    Unread postby Carrie » August 5th, 2012, 11:15 pm

    Jean Valjean wrote:There is no particular verse which we can point to which states plainly that New Moon day is a no-work day, but we can deduce from the evidence given to us piecemeal by many verses that the New Moon day is a no-work day...


    Here's another:

    Ezekiel 46:1

    "Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

    If the gate is to be shut on the six working days, but open on the Sabbath day and the day of the new moon, it appears the wording here is suggesting the new moon day is not considered a working day.
    And Elohim said, "Let there be light," and there was light. Elohim saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. -- Genesis 1:3-4


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