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De: BARILOCHENSE6999  (Mensaje original) Enviado: 30/07/2011 01:31
Vamos a abrir un nuevo panel para estudiar si el DISCIPULO AMADO FUE MARIA MAGDALENA O JUAN MARCOS.


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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 16/11/2012 03:51
Well since we are talking about Religion and Spiritual works
I guess I can chime in here


the unique place given to women as proclaimers in the Fourth Gospel was quite different from that of other first-century Christian churches (Brown 1979: 183). This is very consistent with the hypothesis which says that the Fourth Gospel was, in fact, authored by a woman -- i.e., Mary Magdalene.

* there is solid extrabiblical documentary evidence which establishes a strong tradition among, at least some, Gnostic Christians naming Mary Magdalene as the disciple whom Jesus loved the most. This is strong external evidence which corroborates the identification of Mary Magdalene as the Beloved Disciple;
* there is a well-established historical link between the Fourth Gospel and Gnostic Christians which predates both the canonization of the Fourth Gospel and the ascription of its authorship to John of Zebedee (Perkins: 946). This corroborates the hypothesis which says that the Secessionists of the Johannine Community brought their pre-canonical Fourth Gospel with them into the Gnostic Christian communities after the schism;
* there is the strong internal evidence which shows extensive structural inconsistencies in the two passages of the Fourth Gospel which contain both Mary Magdalene and the Beloved Disciple appearing together. This corroborates the hypothesis which says that a redactor re-edited prior pre-canonical versions of the Fourth Gospel as discussed above;
* the "one-upmanship" of the Beloved Disciple in relation to Peter in the Fourth Gospel is very similar to the relationship between Peter and Mary Magdalene in the Nag Hammadi Corpus. This helps to corroborate the hypothesis which says that the Fourth Gospel's Beloved Disciple and Mary Magdalene are, in reality, one and the same;
* there are many accurate references in the Fourth Gospel to Holy Land places and customs which denote eyewitness authorship by someone who lived in the Holy Land before the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70 (Brown 1979: 22). Mary Magdalene was most certainly in a position to give very vivid and accurate eyewitness accounts of the events depicted in the Fourth Gospel. This might explain some striking differences between the Fourth Gospel and the Synoptic Gospels which, according to most biblical scholars, were pseudonymous and not written by eyewitnesses;
* the unique place given to women as proclaimers in the Fourth Gospel was quite different from that of other first-century Christian churches (Brown 1979: 183). This is very consistent with the hypothesis which says that the Fourth Gospel was, in fact, authored by a woman -- i.e., Mary Magdalene.


http://ramon_k_jusino.tripod.com/magdalene.html#brown1

Now lets just imagine the implications
of Mary Magdalene being the Beloved Disciple

this would mean Women were treated equal in Jesus's eyes
there seems to be evidence for this

Women could write and were educated

Remember Mary sitting and listening to Jesus teach ...it was a one on one lesson
there is evidence that Mary got his messages more than Peter

She was more faithful Peter was not

Gospel of Phillip

If we compare John 19:25-27 with the passage from the Gospel of Philip cited previously, we notice some striking similarities.

**There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary his mother and her sister and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion. His sister and his mother and his companion were each a Mary (NHC II.3.59.6-11) (Robinson 1988: 145).**


Here we have Phillip as a eye witness account
He would know
Why does Gospel of Phillip not count?

Here is the conspiracy let me lay it out there because there is a conspiracy
ACTIONS speak loudly

Since the late 6th century, Mary Magdalene has been misidentified in the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church as an adulteress and repentant prostitute. Pope Gregory the Great made a speech in 591 where he seemed to combine the actions of three women mentioned in the New Testament and also identified an unnamed woman as Mary Magdalene.[41] In 1969 the Vatican, without commenting on Pope Gregory's reasoning,[51] separated Luke's sinful woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdala by implicitly rejecting it via the Roman Missa

We have in 591 Pope Gregory going out of his way ...to lump the adulteress and prostitute all together and name her Magdalene
Now this is SLANDER
Why did he go out of his way to do it and then for centuries ...the lie continued
then in 1969 without comment on Gregory's reasoning they change the Roman Missal
but still taught in catechism that she was a prostitute(church allowed this)
No one told the sheep that Magdalene wasn't a prostitute

Now why was these actions taken?
The Vatican answers
The story of Mary Magdalene reminds everyone of a fundamental TRUTH: She is a DISCIPLE of Christ who...has had the humility to ask for his help, has been healed by him, and has followed him closely, becoming a witness of the power of his merciful LOVE, which is stronger than sin and death.
—Benedict XVI


Notice Pope Benedict XVI calls her a DISCIPLE of Christ....who followed him CLOSELY
A Witness to his merciful LOVE

if I was a codebreaker of Benedict's words
I would decipher this
Fundamental TRUTH IS she was a
BELOVED DISCIPLE of Christ


The Vatican knows full well what they did
I commend Benedict for telling us( But then DaVinci Code exposed the lie)
but that doesn't mean the Vatican is going to change women's position in the church
they don't belong up there at the altar (this is still a Men's Only Club )



Celtic Church let women have positions of power
Saint Brigid was one

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 16/11/2012 04:03
Hello we are having a discussion here on the" Beloved Disciple"
if this discussion is offensive to you
then go find a subject that is not so hard on your lil feelings

As for Magdalene she is the educated woman by Jesus
Jesus didn't just give his teachings to the men ...he shared them with women

Lets go back to the that feet washing ritual
Jesus washes the guys feet with water
Mary washes Jesus feet with oil kisses, and tears

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3571502.stm
there is a possibility that John the Baptist cave was found
Shimon Gibson spent five years excavating the site near Jerusalem, unearthing objects apparently used in ancient purification rituals.

what is in this cave is stone with a foot carved out of it
the person sets their foot in and they are anointed with oil
It is part of a Purification process
Mary is performing a ritual of purification .... that has connection with John the Baptist
In the cave was vases of Oil used for the feet

that a woman thought she could do this to Jesus is amazing... and he felt honored that she did it

Mary Magdalene was definitely major part of Jesus's community(family)

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 02/12/2012 02:47
James could be a contender of the Beloved Disciple

I just will say Jesus kissed her often... that is a sign of Love

I see her carrying the cross and carrying a cup/vase at Rennes Chateau

Image
She is carrying the Holy Grail

Wayward....I'm definitely following you

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 02/12/2012 02:54
Bill there were children in Jesus's family...when I say Jesus's family
I mean his cousins, brothers and sisters. We never here about the Zebedee brothers families.

Here is Jesus with women and children
It depends on the viewer what interpretation they choose

Image

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/12/2012 03:44
Rev Jeff and Bill

I believe this was in the cards long ago
the change of conciousness
and some knew this day would come
including the Vatican

Long suppressed and yet Popes had concubines mistresses children
and Saint Peter had a wife ...and children
it was the normal Jewish life
Jesus had a family brothers sisters and cousins

there was no law that said a apostle of Jesus could not marry
there were women followers and Magdalene was a student of Jesus




Yes some people believed that Jesus was married and had children
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Sefirot correspond to qualities of G-d. They consist of, in descending order, Keter (the crown), Chokhmah (wisdom), Binah (intuition, understanding), Chesed (mercy) or Gedulah (greatness), Gevurah (strength), Tiferet (glory), Netzach (victory), Hod (majesty), Yesod (foundation) and Malkut (sovereignty). The middle five qualities are mentioned explicitly and in order at I Chronicles 29:11: Yours, O L-rd, is the greatness (gedulah), the strength (gevurah), the glory (tiferet), the power (netzach), and the splendor (hod). I have seen this passage translated in widely varying ways, but the Hebrew corresponds to the names of the Sefirot in order.

The Ten Sefirot include both masculine and feminine qualities. Kabbalah pays a great deal of attention to the feminine aspects of G-d.

Tree of the Sefirot or the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. There is great significance to the position of these various attributes and their interconnectedness.

The Sefirot are not separate deities, as some might think by taking this too literally. They are intimately a part of G-d, and yet they are in contact with the universe in a way that the Ein Sof is not. The Sefirot connect with everything in the universe, including humanity. The good and evil that we do resonates through the Sefirot and affects the entire universe, up to and including G-d Himself.
http://www.jewfaq.org/kabbalah.htm

Jesus was a Jew

To deny the feminine is to deny God
think about it

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/12/2012 03:55
think she quoted it from Dr.Brown maybe? Maybe an error on his part?

I quoted Ramon K. Jusino .

His essay/article was posted July 13, 1998.

Mary Magdalene: Author of the Fourth Gospel?

@



You may also like to read another article on the page:



Esther A. de Boer

Mary Magdalene and the Disciple Jesus Loved

This is very interesting too:



"Identification of the Bethany Youth in the Secret Gospel of Mark with other Figures Found in Mark and John"

And if you read this Teabing, a recent Biblical Archaeology Review report was conducted, using handwriting analysis on the Secret Gospel of Mark and Morton Smiths handwriting.
Result? Morton Smith did not forge this 'Secret Mark' fragment.
:mrgreen:

You can read the report here:


 

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/12/2012 03:57
Gospel of Mary; Codex Berolinensis, "then Mary stood up greeted them all, and said to her BRETHREN"


Gospel of Mary; Codex Berolinensis, "Peter, you have always been hot tempered,now I see you contending against the woman like the adversaries. But if the Savior made her WORTHY, who are you indeed to reject her.


Gospel of Phillip; Nag Hammadi, "and the companion of the Mary Magdalene, loved her more than all the disciples and used to kiss her often on the -----the REST OF THE DISCIPLES they said to him--"


There is more Tim, but I have to dig up my Nag Hammadi.---Bill

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/12/2012 04:11
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Jim, what is this secret hand sign for Mary Magdalene?---Bill
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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/12/2012 04:31
 
Well since we are talking about Religion and Spiritual works
I guess I can chime in here


the unique place given to women as proclaimers in the Fourth Gospel was quite different from that of other first-century Christian churches (Brown 1979: 183). This is very consistent with the hypothesis which says that the Fourth Gospel was, in fact, authored by a woman -- i.e., Mary Magdalene.

* there is solid extrabiblical documentary evidence which establishes a strong tradition among, at least some, Gnostic Christians naming Mary Magdalene as the disciple whom Jesus loved the most. This is strong external evidence which corroborates the identification of Mary Magdalene as the Beloved Disciple;
* there is a well-established historical link between the Fourth Gospel and Gnostic Christians which predates both the canonization of the Fourth Gospel and the ascription of its authorship to John of Zebedee (Perkins: 946). This corroborates the hypothesis which says that the Secessionists of the Johannine Community brought their pre-canonical Fourth Gospel with them into the Gnostic Christian communities after the schism;
* there is the strong internal evidence which shows extensive structural inconsistencies in the two passages of the Fourth Gospel which contain both Mary Magdalene and the Beloved Disciple appearing together. This corroborates the hypothesis which says that a redactor re-edited prior pre-canonical versions of the Fourth Gospel as discussed above;
* the "one-upmanship" of the Beloved Disciple in relation to Peter in the Fourth Gospel is very similar to the relationship between Peter and Mary Magdalene in the Nag Hammadi Corpus. This helps to corroborate the hypothesis which says that the Fourth Gospel's Beloved Disciple and Mary Magdalene are, in reality, one and the same;
* there are many accurate references in the Fourth Gospel to Holy Land places and customs which denote eyewitness authorship by someone who lived in the Holy Land before the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70 (Brown 1979: 22). Mary Magdalene was most certainly in a position to give very vivid and accurate eyewitness accounts of the events depicted in the Fourth Gospel. This might explain some striking differences between the Fourth Gospel and the Synoptic Gospels which, according to most biblical scholars, were pseudonymous and not written by eyewitnesses;
* the unique place given to women as proclaimers in the Fourth Gospel was quite different from that of other first-century Christian churches (Brown 1979: 183). This is very consistent with the hypothesis which says that the Fourth Gospel was, in fact, authored by a woman -- i.e., Mary Magdalene.


http://ramon_k_jusino.tripod.com/magdalene.html#brown1

Now lets just imagine the implications
of Mary Magdalene being the Beloved Disciple

this would mean Women were treated equal in Jesus's eyes
there seems to be evidence for this

Women could write and were educated

Remember Mary sitting and listening to Jesus teach ...it was a one on one lesson
there is evidence that Mary got his messages more than Peter

She was more faithful Peter was not

Gospel of Phillip

If we compare John 19:25-27 with the passage from the Gospel of Philip cited previously, we notice some striking similarities.

**There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary his mother and her sister and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion. His sister and his mother and his companion were each a Mary (NHC II.3.59.6-11) (Robinson 1988: 145).**


Here we have Phillip as a eye witness account
He would know
Why does Gospel of Phillip not count?

Here is the conspiracy let me lay it out there because there is a conspiracy
ACTIONS speak loudly

Since the late 6th century, Mary Magdalene has been misidentified in the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church as an adulteress and repentant prostitute. Pope Gregory the Great made a speech in 591 where he seemed to combine the actions of three women mentioned in the New Testament and also identified an unnamed woman as Mary Magdalene.[41] In 1969 the Vatican, without commenting on Pope Gregory's reasoning,[51] separated Luke's sinful woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdala by implicitly rejecting it via the Roman Missa

We have in 591 Pope Gregory going out of his way ...to lump the adulteress and prostitute all together and name her Magdalene
Now this is SLANDER
Why did he go out of his way to do it and then for centuries ...the lie continued
then in 1969 without comment on Gregory's reasoning they change the Roman Missal
but still taught in catechism that she was a prostitute(church allowed this)
No one told the sheep that Magdalene wasn't a prostitute

Now why was these actions taken?
The Vatican answers
The story of Mary Magdalene reminds everyone of a fundamental TRUTH: She is a DISCIPLE of Christ who...has had the humility to ask for his help, has been healed by him, and has followed him closely, becoming a witness of the power of his merciful LOVE, which is stronger than sin and death.
—Benedict XVI


Notice Pope Benedict XVI calls her a DISCIPLE of Christ....who followed him CLOSELY
A Witness to his merciful LOVE

if I was a codebreaker of Benedict's words
I would decipher this
Fundamental TRUTH IS she was a
BELOVED DISCIPLE of Christ


The Vatican knows full well what they did
I commend Benedict for telling us( But then DaVinci Code exposed the lie)
but that doesn't mean the Vatican is going to change women's position in the church
they don't belong up there at the altar (this is still a Men's Only Club )



Celtic Church let women have positions of power
Saint Brigid was one

_________________
Everything is Connected and there are no
coincidences
 
http://andrewgough.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3075&start=175
 

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/12/2012 04:33
Thats the point!!!
This is about what PEOPLE BELIEVED

You have the Gnostics verses the Mark Luke John and Paul(Roman Nicean agreed upon books for masses to read)
the Gnostics had to hide theirs

if they didn't they were burned
thing is the Gnostics brought to the table ...the possibility that Jesus had a companion he loved over anybody else
Mary Magdalene ...and she was taught lessons (privately) ...of which we get a glimpse in one of the Official versions
where she is seated listening to Jesus...the stained glass at Rennes that Fleur made

whether one believes the Gnostics or they believe the Catholic ....is up to the person
this is prove that the Gnostics existed and their beliefs rested on different works

They had no problem with Jesus having a companion who he frequently kissed
And they had no problem with a woman teaching men (Peter lessons)


the other action of the Church was to destroy burn and kill anybody with an alternate view
Genocide of the Cathars is one example
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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/12/2012 04:34
n the year of our Lord 2012 the family brings out the text
we now may see documentation from anceint texts telling us of a Married Jesus
so the Wedding of Cana takes on a new possiblity and we may see Mary Magdalene in a new light
or Mary of Bethany in a new light ....and with a wife comes the possiblity of children


It is always the cover up that gets the crime and now we see why making Magdalene a prostitute would be advantageous to the Pope for if she was a prostitute her children would not be heirs to Jesus's kingdom of Jerusalem ...

and that Jesus would accept a woman as a disciple ....and we have the BELOVED DIsciple in the texts

I think a woman discovering it and announcing it just seems so appropriate ....Woman deserve a place at the table and a voice ....when you see suppression of woman's rights throughout history ....this news gives me chills

who knows maybe the Mag heads were right all along :wink:


I know this documentation doesn't mean anything to many here but it only supports the Nag Hammadi scrolls that the possibility that Jesus taught Magdalene and she was educated enough to pass on Mary Magdalene's Gospel and that Jesus kissed her often has other texts that support this theory ....of Magdalene was a disciple and Apostle to the Apostles ....from what I have seen the Church knew the REVELATION would be revealed
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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 19/01/2013 04:23
Well Jabber
you and I are puzzled

and you ask the best question WHY?

why did the church hire them?
why did the church put these in their churches

Homosexuality is a sin in the church to this day

and yet the VATICAN the POPES allowed and PROMOTED
these

Jabber
you ask the Big question WHY?

Why it looks like a Gnostic did those panels and DaVinci's last supper was Gnostic

Lets look at the Sinners and the Saints

All the apostles sitting at the table wear Halos and we see Jesus at the center of the table
Let us look at the official version
It is John sitting next to Jesus

no beard young beautiful passionate no halo
he kisses Jesus's hands tenderly over the Cup which is the Blood of Christ
he is sitting next to Jesus ....is this the Beloved Disciple
John 20:2, the Beloved Disciple

or is this Ganymedes ....Zeus's "cupbearer"

Ok there is a CUP there
:?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
here we are at Notre Dame in the church ...what WERE they thinking :roll:

Then it could be Mary Magdalene ...the one he kissed often
The Sinner ...the prostitute
the Grail bearer
now where the New Testament states Mary took the vow of celibacy?
No where does it say she was a prostitute either

Who is that disciple drunk with passion sensuously touching Jesus?

Why in the world did the church do this?
That is a heck of a question Jabber

They could burn the heretics without a trial ..... so why did they HIRE them and place their ARTWORK up for all to see

that is quite a question :?: :?: :?:

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 19/01/2013 04:24
Pilrig
that was a great article
I never knew about the Black Grail

Yes Jabber
Saint Malachy prediction is on target as well as other visions

So when I say the Church ... Jabber
I mean Rome the Vatican

not the church attendees

Wayward
it really does make one wonder if Mary Magdalene is sitting next to Jesus

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 19/01/2013 04:28
James could be a contender of the Beloved Disciple

I just will say Jesus kissed her often... that is a sign of Love

I see her carrying the cross and carrying a cup/vase at Rennes Chateau

Image
She is carrying the Holy Grail

Wayward....I'm definitely following you

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 04/02/2013 06:05
BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 04/02/2013 03:02
Busqueda para ISAAC

1. Génesis 17:19: Respondió Dios: Ciertamente Sara tu mujer te dará a luz un hijo, y llamarás su nombre ISAAC; y confirmaré mi pacto con él como pacto perpetuo para sus descendientes después de él.
 
2. Génesis 17:21: Mas yo estableceré mi pacto con ISAAC, el que Sara te dará a luz por este tiempo el año que viene.
 
3. Génesis 21:3: Y llamó Abraham el nombre de su hijo que le nació, que le dio a luz Sara, ISAAC.
 
4. Génesis 21:4: Y circuncidó Abraham a su hijo ISAAC de ocho días, como Dios le había mandado.
 
5. Génesis 21:5: Y era Abraham de cien años cuando nació ISAAC su hijo.
 
6. Génesis 21:8: Y creció el niño, y fue destetado; e hizo Abraham gran banquete el día que fue destetado ISAAC.
 
7. Génesis 21:9: Y vio Sara que el hijo de Agar la egipcia, el cual ésta le había dado a luz a Abraham, se burlaba de su hijo ISAAC.
 
8. Génesis 21:10: Por tanto, dijo a Abraham: Echa a esta sierva y a su hijo, porque el hijo de esta sierva no ha de heredar con ISAAC mi hijo.
 
9. Génesis 21:12: Entonces dijo Dios a Abraham: No te parezca grave a causa del muchacho y de tu sierva; en todo lo que te dijere Sara, oye su voz, porque en ISAAC te será llamada descendencia.
 
10. Génesis 22:2: Y dijo: Toma ahora tu hijo, tu único, ISAAC, a quien amas, y vete a tierra de Moriah, y ofrécelo allí en holocausto sobre uno de los montes que yo te diré.
isaac in Simple Gematria Equals: 33 ( i
9
s
19
a
1
a
1
c
3
)
 
11. Génesis 22:3: Y Abraham se levantó muy de mañana, y enalbardó su asno, y tomó consigo dos siervos suyos, y a ISAAC su hijo; y cortó leña para el holocausto, y se levantó, y fue al lugar que Dios le dijo.
 
12. Génesis 22:6: Y tomó Abraham la leña del holocausto, y la puso sobre ISAAC su hijo, y él tomó en su mano el fuego y el cuchillo; y fueron ambos juntos.
 
13. Génesis 22:7: Entonces habló ISAAC a Abraham su padre, y dijo: Padre mío. Y él respondió: Heme aquí, mi hijo. Y él dijo: He aquí el fuego y la leña; mas ¿dónde está el cordero para el holocausto?
 
14. Génesis 22:9: Y cuando llegaron al lugar que Dios le había dicho, edificó allí Abraham un altar, y compuso la leña, y ató a ISAAC su hijo, y lo puso en el altar sobre la leña.


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