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Dogón

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Dogón
Casas dogon.jpg
Antiguas viviendas dogonas, en la falla de Bandiagara, considerado patrimonio de la humanidad por la UNESCO.
Población total 400 000 a 800 000
Idioma lenguas dogonas

Los dogones son un grupo étnico que vive en la región central de Malí, al sudoeste de la curva del río Níger, cerca de la ciudad de Bandiagara, en la región de Mopti. Su población está estimada entre 400 000 y 800 000 personas.[1] Los dogones son especialmente conocidos por sus tradiciones religiosas, sus bailes con máscaras, su escultura de madera y su arquitectura. El último siglo ha visto sucederse importantes cambios en su organización social, en su cultura material así como en sus creencias, en buena medida como consecuencia del atractivo turístico del país dogón.

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[editar] Geografía e historia

El territorio donde se localiza la mayoría dogona está bisectado por la falla de Bandiagara, que llega a presentar un desnivel de 150 metros en las zonas bajas y de 300 metros en las altas, promediando los 200 metros en la mayor parte del recorrido a lo largo de 150 km. En el sudeste de la falla se encuentra la llanura árida de Seno-Gondo y al noreste la meseta de Bandiagara. Históricamente, los pueblos dogones se establecieron en el área de Bandiagara como consecuencia del rechazo colectivo de esta etnia a convertirse al islamismo hace alrededor de 1000 años.[2] La inseguridad a la que se vieron enfrentados los dogones como consecuencia de la presión impuesta por otros pueblos musulmanes les llevaron a desplazarse y a instalar sus aldeas en posiciones defendibles sobre paredes escarpadas y colinas. Otro factor que influyó sobre la elección del emplazamiento de sus pueblos fue el agua. El río Níger está cerca y en la piedra de arenisca de su ubicación nace, al pie del risco, un riachuelo durante la temporada húmeda.

Falla de Bandiagara en la frondosa época de lluvias.

Entre los dogones existen multitud de tradiciones orales que relatan la historia de su origen. Una de ellas explica que provienen del Mandé, situado hacia el suroeste de los riscos de Bandiagara, cerca de Bamako. De acuerdo a esta tradición oral, el primer emplazamiento dogón se estableció en el extremo suroeste de la escarpadura de Kani-Na.[3] [4] Hacia el siglo XV, los dogones se mudaron hacia el norte, a lo largo de esta escarpadura, llegando hasta la región de Sanga.[5] Otros relatos orales sitúan el origen de los dogones hacia el oeste, más allá del Río Níger, o afirman que el pueblo dogón viene del este. Es probable que los dogones actuales estén formados por múltiples grupos de diverso origen que migraron para escapar de la islamización.[6]

Con frecuencia es díficil diferenciar entre prácticas pre musulmanas y prácticas posteriores, aunque la Ley Islámica las clasifica, junto con otras etnicidades de la región (Mossi, Gurma, Bobo, Busa y Yoruba) como fuera del canon Dar al-Islam y por lo tanto daba carta blanca a los traficantes de esclavos para realizar razzias.[7] A medida que el crecimiento de las ciudades aumentó, la demanda de esclavos en toda la región de África Occidental también creció. Esto supuso el asesinato de hombres autóctonos por los asaltantes islámicos y la esclavización de mujeres y niños.[8]

[editar] Arte dogón

Algunos motivos del arte dogón.

El arte dogón consiste principalmente en la escultura. Sus motivos giran en torno a valores religiosos, ideales y libertades (Laude, 19). Las esculturas dogonas no se realizan para mostrarse en público, y suelen guardarse en las casas, santuarios o mantenerse con el hogón (Laude, 20). La importancia del secretismo es debida a la significación simbólica que reside detrás de las piezas y el proceso a través del que son realizadas.

Las temáticas que se pueden encontrar en la escultura dogona son personas con armas levantadas, personas barbudas superimpuestas, caballeros, taburetes con cariátides, mujeres con niños, personas cubriendo sus rostros, mujeres moliendo mujo perla, mujeres portando cuencos en sus manos, burros llevando cargas, músicos, perros, pancos o abrevaderos de cuatro patas, personas inclinándose a partir de la cintura, imágenes espejo, personas con mandil, y personas de pie (Laude, 46-52). Los contactos con otros orígenes o culturas son evidentes en el arte dogón. La influencia del arte Tellem es clara, lo que se muestra claramente en sus diseños rectilíneos (Laude, 24).

[editar] Cultura y religión

La mayoría de los dogones practican la religión animista, incluyendo al ancestral espíritu Nommo, con sus festivales y una secta en la cual Sirio juega un importante papel. Una minoría significativa de los dogones practica el islamismo, y otra minoría practica el cristianismo.

Los dogones registran su mundo ancestral a través de un sistema patrilineal. Cada comunidad dogona, o familia extendida, está encabezada por un solo hombre adulto. Esta cabeza directiva es el hijo que más ha vivido del ancestro de la rama local de la familia. Dentro de este sistema patrilineal los matrimonios poliginios pueden realizarse hasta con cuatro mujeres.[1]

La mayor parte de los hombres, no obstante, suelen tener solo una mujer, y es raro que un hombre tenga más de dos esposas. Formalmente, las mujeres solo se unen al hogar del marido tras el nacimiento de su primer hijo. Las mujeres pueden dejar a su marido al principio de su matrimonio, antes del nacimiento del primer hijo. Tras tenerlo, el divorcio es raro y algo muy serio, requiriendo la participación de toda la aldea. Una familia extendida puede sumar hasta cien personas, y se denomina guinna.

Un hogón.

Los dogones se orientan fuertemente hacia la armonía, lo que se refleja en muchos de sus rituales. Por ejemplo, en uno de sus más importantes ritos, la mujer elogia al hombre, el hombre agradece a la mujer, el joven expresa su apreciación hacia el anciano, y el anciano reconoce la contribución del joven. Otro ejemplo es la costumbre de elaborados saludos cada vez que un dogón se encuentra con otro. Esta costumbre se repite una y otra vez, a través de una aldea dogona, todo el día. Durante un ritual de saludo, la persona que ha entrado en contacto responde una serie de preguntas sobre toda su familia, de la persona que ya estaba en el lugar. Invariablemnte, la respuesta es sewa, que significa que todo está bien. Entonces el dogón (o la dogona) que ha entrado en contacto repite el ritual, preguntando al residente cómo está su familia. Como la palabra sewa se repite de modo tan común en una aldea dogona, las poblaciones vecinas llaman con frecuencia a los dogones el pueblo sewa.

El hogón es el líder espiritual de la aldea o ciudad. Es elegido entre los hombres más ancianos de las familias extendidas de la aldea. Tras su elección tiene que seguir un período de iniciación de seis meses, durante el cual no se le permite que se afeite o se lave. Viste ropas blancas y no está permitido que nadie le toque. Una virgen joven que todavía no ha tenido su ciclo menstrual lo cuida, limpia su casa y prepara su comida. Regresa a su casa cada noche.

Una mezquita de barro y su minarete.

Tras su iniciación, portará un fez rojo. Además, lleva un brazalete con una perla sagrada que simboliza su función. La virgen es remplazada por una de sus mujeres, pero ella también vuelve al hogar cada noche. El hogón debe vivir solo en su casa. Los dogones creen que la serpiente sagrada Lebé llega durante la noche para limpiarlo y transferirle sabiduría.

Los dogones viven de una agricultura de subsistencia, cultivando mijo perla, sorgo y arroz, así como cebollas, tabaco, cacahuetes y otras verduras. Marcel Griaule promovió la construcción de una presa cerca de Sangha e incitó a los dogones a cultivar cebollas. La economía de la región de Sangha se dobló desde entonces y sus cebollas son vendidas en lugares tan remotos como los mercados de Bamako y Costa de Marfil. También crían ovejas, cabras y gallinas. El grano se almacena en graneros.

[editar] Los dogones y Sirio

Entre 1931 y 1956, el antropólogo francés Marcel Griaule (1898-1956) estudió a los dogones. Sus investigaciones incluyeron misiones de campo durante períodos de días hasta dos meses en 1931, 1935, 1937 y 1938.[16] A finales de 1946, Griaule pasó treinta y tres días consecutivos manteniendo conversaciones con el sabio dogón Ogotemeli, fuente de la mayor parte de las futuras publicaciones de Griaule.[17] Griaule escribió casi tres mil páginas acerca de las creencias de un hogón (chamán dogón) llamado Ogotemeli, con respecto a la clasificación de las plantas y la cosmogonía, entre otros temas. No nombró a Sirio en esos textos. Entre 1946 y 1956 Griaule viajó anualmente a la región de los dogones.[18] Griaule escribió casi tres mil páginas acerca de las creencias de un hogón (chamán dogón) llamado Ogotemeli, con respecto a la clasificación de las plantas y la cosmogonía, entre otros temas. No nombró a Sirio en esos textos.

En 1965, la antropóloga francesa Germaine Dieterlen (1903-1999) ―que viajó varias veces con Griaule a Malí― publicó Le renard ple, donde sostenía que el chamán Ogotemeli, en sus charlas con Griaule (ahora fallecido desde hacía nueve años):

  • habría descrito a la Luna como «seca y estéril»;
  • habría dicho que el planeta Júpiter tiene cuatro satélites (los únicos conocidos desde Galileo Galilei);[19]
    • en 1965 ya se conocian 9 satélites de Júpiter: Io, Europa, Ganímedes, Calisto (descubiertos por Galileo Galilei en 1610), Himalia (Perrine, 1904), Elara (Perrine, 1905), Pasífae (Melotte, 1908), Sinope (Nicholson, 1914), Lisitea, Carme (Nicholson, 1938) y Ananke (Nicholson, 1951);
    • hasta 2008 se conoce que Júpiter en realidad tiene por lo menos 63 satélites;
  • Ogotemeli habría dicho conocer los anillos de Saturno (que en Occidente ya eran conocidos desde el siglo XVIII);[19]
    • sin embargo no conocía los anillos de Júpiter (porque fueron descubiertos en 1977), ni los de Urano (también descubiertos en 1977);[20]
  • habría dicho que Sirio es un sistema triple (Sigui Tolo, o ‘estrella del Sigui’) formado por una estrella gemela (Po Tolo, «tan pesada que todos los hombres del planeta no podrían levantarla») y por una tercera estrella (Emme Ya) 4 veces más liviana que Po Tolo;
    • esa estrella compañera (Sirio B), y sus datos se conocían en Occidente desde 1862; su diámetro es similar al de la Tierra y su peso similar al de nuestro Sol;[21]
    • la idea de una tercera estrella fue una teoría de Ch. Volet (1932). En el año 1995 la NASA detectó anomalías en las órbitas de Sirio A y Sirio B de las que se dedujo la existencia de Sirio C.[22]
  • habría hablado acerca de que los dioses nommo eran anfibios y llegaron desde el cielo en una nave voladora; predicaron ante la gente, que se reunía en grandes números alrededor del lago que se creó alrededor de la nave.[23] [24]

En ellas, estos informaron que los dogones creen que la estrella más brillante del firmamento, Sirio (Sigi Tolo o ‘estrella del Sigui’)[25] tiene dos estrellas compañeras, Pō Tolo (la estrella Digitaria) y Ęmmę Ya Tolo (la estrella femenina del Sorgo), respectivamente la primera y segunda compañera de Sirio A.[26] Sirio, en el sistema dogón, formó uno de los focos a partir de la órbita de una pequeña estrella, la estrella compañera Digitaria. Cuando Digitaria está más próxima a Sirio, esa estrella se ilumina. Cuando está más alejada de Sirio, produce el efecto de un pestañeo que hace que el observador vea varias estrellas. El ciclo orbital toma 50 años.[27] [24]

En 1976, el escritor Robert K. G. Temple publicó The Sirius mystery, donde popularizó la idea de que los dogón habían tenido contacto con extraterrestres; que el sistema dogón revelaba un conocimiento preciso de hechos cosmológicos solo conocidos a través del desarrollo de la astronomía moderna, ya que parecían conocer, según el relato de Griaule y Dieterlen, que Sirio forma parte de un sistema estelar binario, cuya segunda estrella, Sirio B, una enana blanca, había sido completamente invisible al ojo humano (del mismo modo que Digitaria es el grano más pequeño conocido para los dogones), y que toma 50 años para completar su órbita. La existencia de Sirio B solo había podido inferirse a través de cálculos matemáticos llevados a cabo por Friedrich Bessel en 1844. Temple argumentaba, a partir de lo anterior, que la información de los dogones, si se rastreaba hacia atrás en el tiempo hacia fuentes y mitos egipcios, podría indicar una transmisión extraterrestre de conocimiento de las estrellas.[28] [24] Ni Griaule ni Dieterlen habían llevado a cabo tales afirmaciones sobre una posible fuente esotérica del conocimiento dogón.

De modo más reciente, se han alzado dudas sobre la validez del trabajo de Griaule y Dieterlein.[29] [30] En un artículo publicado en 1991 en Current Anthropology, el antropólogo Walter van Beek publicó sus conclusiones tras su investigación sobre los dogones:

Aunque hablan acerca de Sigu Tolo [que es lo como Griaule afirmó que los dogones llamaban a Sirio] no están en absoluto de acuerdo entre ellos en el significado de la estrella. Para algunos es una estrella invisible que debería alzarse para anunciar el festival sigu, para otros es Venus, en otra posición, apareciendo como Sigu Tolo. Todos están de acuerdo, no obstante, que aprendieron acerca de esa estrella gracias a Griaule.[31]

En 1991, el antropólogo danés W. E. A. van Beek ―que vivió once años entre los dogón, entre 1979 y 1990― publicó Dogon restudied donde criticó los métodos de investigación de Griaule y Dieterlen, y sugirió que ellos habían confiado en un solo informante (Ogotemeli), quien podría haber sido influenciado por un misionero jesuita que había vivido en la región antes de las repetidas visitas de Griaule y Dieterlen.[31]

El astrónomo estadounidense Carl Sagan escribió un libro llamado Los dogones, La conclusión inmediata es que el pueblo dogón ha mantenido contactos con una civilización cuyo avance tecnológico solo llegó hasta 1932.

  • Todos los supuestos conocimientos de los dogón coinciden con los conocimientos astronómicos alcanzados en Occidente a principios del siglo XX, y coinciden con los errores de la misma época.
  • Esos conocimientos no incluían ni uno solo de los descubrimientos posteriores a 1932.
  • Ninguno de los «extraordinarios» conocimientos astronómicos que le habrían legado esos visitantes alienígenas al pueblo dogón era desconocido para la astronomía moderna antes de que sus mitos fueran registrados en los años treinta y cuarenta.
  • En esa información se incluyen varios errores obvios, muy poco probables viniendo de una civilización tecnológicamente avanzada.
  • No existe ningún registro previo a los años cuarenta del saber astronómico de los dogón.
  • La evidencia material respecto a ese extraordinario saber es ambigua y sujeta a interpretaciones arbitrarias, como el famoso «huevo del mundo» (dibujo de un sólido), transformado en un diagrama orbital (una elipse).
  • Existen explicaciones alternativas verosímiles, como la de Carl Sagan, basada en procesos de asimilación cultural que ya se han observado en otras culturas.
  • Toda la leyenda del saber secreto que tienen los dogón acerca de Sirio se basa en una única fuente (Griaule), y las aseveraciones de esa única fuente no han podido ser confirmadas por muchos otros investigadores que han trabajado sobre el terreno. Dicho de otra manera, no ha existido una verificación independiente de los datos.
  • Los datos y los métodos empleados por la fuente original han sido cuestionados y criticados.
  • La investigación de Walter van Beek aporta evidencias en contra de que alguna vez haya existido en el pueblo dogón un inusual, detallado y preciso conocimiento astronómico, fuera de las posibilidades reales de una sociedad pretecnológica.

La hija de Griaule, Genevieve Calame-Griaule, respondió en una publicación posterior, argumentando que Van Beek «no siguió los pasos adecuados para adquirir conocimiento», y sugirió que los informadores dogones de Van Beek podrían haber pensado que este había sido enviado por las «autoridades políticas y administrativas para probar la ortodoxia musulmana de los dogones».[32]

 
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Sacred Mysteries of the Dogon

Review by Eric K. Lerner

The Science of the Dogon: Decoding the African Mystery Tradition (Inner Traditions, 2006, 224pp, $16.95 Buy From Amazon) and Sacred Symbols of the Dogon: The Key to Advanced Science in the Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs (Inner Traditions, 2007, 272pp, $18.95 Buy From Amazon)

Dogon cosmology presents a rich and intricate genesis myth containing basic archetypes that recur in religious thought throughout history. God Almighty, Amma becomes self-aware and from Amma’s egg issue forth particles that become matter. A trickster, Ogo, a fox, usurps Amma’s creation, which is redeemed by the bloody sacrifice of a primordial human ancestor, the Nommo, who is resurrected so the evolution of man can continue. Two French anthropologists, Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, in The Pale Fox and Conversations with Ogotemmeli explored this sacred myth of Dogon culture in depth. Their work serves as inspiration for a pair of books by Laird Scranton: The Science of the Dogon: Decoding the African Mystery Tradition (Inner Traditions, 2006, 224pp, $16.95 Buy From Amazon) and Sacred Symbols of the Dogon: The Key to Advanced Science in the Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs (Inner Traditions, 2007, 272pp, $18.95 Buy From Amazon). Scranton argues that not only does Dogon cosmology echo better known mythologies, but that it precisely details specifics of modern scientific wisdom in oral descriptions and drawings documented by the French team.

Scranton may raise a few eyebrows because he openly admits that he has never experienced Dogon culture first hand. He is a computer programmer. In The Science of the Dogon, he writes “the most common task when writing a computer program involves the deliberate selection of symbols to represent concepts. For one programmer to successfully maintain the work of another, he or she must first learn to identify the intended meanings of the other programmer’s symbols. A good software designer also learns over time to incorporate clues to the meaning of a symbol into the form of the symbol itself.” That may seem an incredible way to justify one’s expertise to analyze a cosmology, but I find that aspect of his approach refreshing. Contemporary authors too often present books proclaiming authentic experience of esoteric realms that are little more than rehashes of obscure tomes. It’s nice to read someone who is honest and gets his footnotes straight.

His base assumption is that similar symbols reflect similar truths. This should be applied to cross currents between science and religion, just as it has been between cultural belief systems. The Science of the Dogon elegantly applies this to Dogon cosmology. For instance, Scranton provides an example between Dogon symbolism and quantum physics. After elaborating how the Dogon describe the formation of the universe from the opening of Amma’s egg and the elaboration of tiny seeds called “po,” Scranton writes:

Clearly what is being spoken of…is the formation of the building blocks of matter-atoms and their components. So, when we suggest possible meanings for the Dogon symbols that are related to atomic structure, the idea is wholly and completely in keeping with how the Dogon understand their own symbols. (In Dictinnnaire Dogon, Genevieve Calme-Griaule describes the po as “the image of the atom.”) However, if we look carefully, we can see that the surface story of the Dogon myth might also pointedly direct us to the concepts of quantum physics. Imagine for a moment that you must read an article written in a foreign language, that, for the most part, you do not understand. Then imagine the two words you do understand, supply and demand are repeated again and again within the passage. It would not take the insight of a genius to surmise that the subject of the article might be economics. The Dogon creation story provides us with a similar clue to its meaning with its recurring emphasis on pellets of clay and spiraling coils. It requires only a little imagination to see these symbols as likely references to particles and waves-the essential building blocks of quantum theory…[Here, he inserts a quote describing the dual nature of quantum particles.] Within the creation story we can see an implied knowledge of the wave properties of physics when the Dogon say that the fibers of the first garment mimic the sound of the voice of the Nommo, which tapers off in spiraling coils-a statement that betrays an understanding by the teller of the creation story that sound travels in waves.”

Not only does he draw correspondences between oral stories and scientific rhetoric, but also he examines visual similarities between contemporary scientific diagrams and Dogon religious symbols. One of the best examples of this is his comparison of a drawing of the vibratory pattern of strings from Brian Greene’s bestseller The Elegant Universe and a Dogon field drawing of the emanation of 266 primordial signs used planting rituals. They are virtually identical. Scranton writes. “Together the Dogon field Drawing along with Griaule’s statement about the vibrational nature of matter firmly link the Dogon symbols to their counterparts in string theory.”

Scranton identifies numerous points of consistency between contemporary science and Dogon cosmology. Throughout, he presents Dogon myth and symbols and juxtaposes with them with contemporary scientific theories or diagrams. He summarizes his approach:

The coherence of Dogon cosmology is upheld by a sensible, well defined system of symbolic storylines whose themes directly mirror the best modern scientific theories of how the universe and matter might have actually come to exist. The myths express themselves clearly and succinctly, so much so that the statements of the Dogon priests are often most easily understood in direct comparison with comparable statements from popular modern interpreters of science—authors of the caliber of Stephen Hawking, Brian Green and Richard Feynman. Our understanding of these statements by Dogon priest is guided and supported by important cosmological drawings that often appear in similar manner and take the form as related scientific diagrams.

An added value of The Science of the Dogon is that it makes an excellent Monarch Notes Guide to the latest scientific advances in Big Bang Theory, Quantum Physics, String Theory and DNA structure, particularly for those who may not be too inclined to pick up a scientific text. Indeed, while I was reading Science of the Dogon, I commented on the similarity between Dogon myth and String theory to an elderly santera, who was not formally educated. She asked me to explain string theory since she had heard it mentioned on television. I read Scranton’s summary of String theory to her. She looked at me with some disappointment and said, “I knew that fifty years ago. I was hoping that it was something new.” Her reaction illustrates one of the issues I have when the latest scientific theories are talked about in relationship to ancient non-white belief systems. Much of so called “high caliber science” simply seems to rehash sacred concepts to practitioners. I feel that Scranton’s work is valuable in proving that.

However, Scranton is of the opinion that Dogon cosmology indicates that ancient culture had somehow acquired specific highly technical scientific knowledge, possibly even from an extraterrestrial source. However, there is an alternate way to interpret the overlays. I believe that this consistency between myths and scientific theories, ancient symbols and scientific diagrams represents a perception hardwired into the human imagination, the collective unconscious. Consistencies between Dogon cosmology (and other ancient belief systems) and scientific development express consistent problem-solving approaches. They represent a thought process by which contemporary man experiences a basic urge to understand and systematize his place in the greater universe. This emerges from an integral level of consciousness to a symbolic level and eventually recollective level and thus contemporary man makes analytical symbols and statements consistent with his forefathers’ truths. I do not believe that the Dogon or other ancient peoples received science lessons from an outside source. The Dogon used similar motifs to modern scientists, because they felt a similar need to come to terms with “the big picture.” The imagery was embedded in their subconscious, just as it is in ours today. Like us, they thought and analyzed phenomena in a sophisticated, uniquely human manner.

Scranton does not limit his exploration of Dogon beliefs to their relationship to science. He explores how there are recurrent themes in Dogon myth and those in to Judaic, Sumerian, ancient Egyptian and other ancient cosmologies. Sympathies between Dogon and ancient Egyptian beliefs receive special attention. In addition to mythic similarities, he compares the construction of Dogon granaries and Egyptian pyramid building in The Science of the Dogon.

The relationship between Dogon and ancient Egypt is expanded on in the subject of his next book, Sacred Symbols of the Dogon. Here Scranton emphasizes Egyptian hieroglyphs rather than Dogon cosmology in much of the book. In Symbols he concentrates on showing that Egyptian hieroglyphs codify String theory and Quantum physics, and that this forms a chain between Egyptian and Dogon culture. In most of the volume he illustrates parallels between symbols used by contemporary scientists and hieroglyphs. The Egypt material takes up more of the volume than Dogon.

Scranton cites Sir A.E. Wallis Budge as his primary source on Egyptian language in both books. Budge has fallen out of favor with contemporary Egyptologists primarily because of the phonetic values he assigned to hieroglyphs. Scranton bases his preference for Budge on the theory that Budge’s phonetic values for ancient Egyptian language are similar to those in the still spoken language of the Dogon. Interestingly J. Olumide Lucas stated a similar case for parallels between Budge’s Egyptian phonetics and those of the Yoruba people, who like the Dogon, are of West Sub Sahara Africa, in The Religion of the Yorubas some 80 years ago. Lucas delineated how the Yoruba linguistically assimilated Egyptian god names into the names of their own orisha. Perhaps such similarity between Budge’s phonetics and those of another West African people further validate Scranton’s decision. (Budge in his study of Osiris, Volume I, argued that Ancient Egyptian beliefs permeated those of sub-Saharan Africa. He did not cite the Dogon and differed from Lucas in his choices of correspondences between Egyptian deities and orisha in many instances.)

Scranton outlines his approach:

We began with a well defined set of Dogon words and symbols, whose symbolic meaning were simply overlaid on matching Egyptian words and glyphs. The legitimacy of this process is borne out by the many persistent resemblances that color most other aspects of Dogon and Egyptian culture. Support for the soundness of this approach is also found in Sir E. A. Wallis Budge’s An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary, which provides us with consistent validation of correspondences between Dogon and Egyptian words and symbols. The Dictionnaire Dogon by Genevieve Calame-Griaule also specifically validates Budge’s definitions and pronunciations of Egyptian words that are similar to those in the Dogon language. So from the very start, we can be confident that our interpretations are based on cross-confirming set of independent sources.

The more we work with Egyptian glyphs and defining words, the more aware we become of a recurring pattern involving these glyphs and words. Although only a subset of Egyptian glyphs can be said to have a directly assigned phonetic value, examples how that this subset seems to include many of the same glyphs that we believe define key components in the structure of matter. First among these is the flying goose glyph which we associate with atom-the counterpart of the mythological po of the Dogon. In Budge’s view of the Egyptian language, this glyph carries the pronunciation of “pa,” the same pronunciation as the Egyptian word pa, which means “to be, to exist.” There is a likely corresponding Egyptian god named Pau, who is defined by Budge as a “god of existence.” A similar relationship between the glyph’s phonetic value and a deity name appears with the oval glyph …, which, based on its appearance in various Egyptian words can be seen as a symbol for proton, neutrons and electrons. Budge assigns a phonetic value of “seb” to this glyph, a value that is a likely correlate to the Dogon word sene. He defines a similar Egyptian word, Senu which refers to ”a company of gods,”

Scranton excels in pattern recognition and makes cogent claims for similarities between Egyptian hieroglyphics and scientific symbols. He draws parallels between actual hieroglyphics and diagrammatic illustrations of quantum physics and string theory principles. He offers alternate definitions of hieroglyphs and compound hieroglyphs in which he finds such similarities.

Here I have a problem. He develops these meanings from the way the hieroglyphs appear and are vocalized in Budge’s hieroglyphic dictionary and their similarities to Dogon words, rather than the way they appear in use in papyrus and pyramid texts. He uses the Dogon cognate and its use to justify the new meaning he assigns, rather than show how the new meaning for the hieroglyph or compound hieroglyphs work in their native context. At one point Scranton suggests that his interpretations might be substantiated by an examination of The Egyptian Book of the Dead. To test the validity of Scranton’s thesis, I secured a facsimile copy of The Book of the Dead and a couple of primers on Egyptian language. (I really hope Scranton has a piece of Amazon.com stock.) I feel that if he is going to argue that single and compound hieroglyphs held specific scientific meaning for the ancient Egyptians, he should be able to show these used in context where they make full statements of scientific principles he says they mean.

Trying to decipher hieroglyphic texts is involved and time consuming. The Book of the Dead (a.k.a., The Book Of Coming Forth By Day, the extant facsimile version being also called the Papyrus of Ani, a specific extant version housed in the British Museum) has its hieroglyphs arranged in columns arranged from top to bottom. In some cases they are read from left to right and in others from right to left, and they may be read in special cases bottom to top! (The scanning orders in which these are read vary according to the subject matter of the passage. They may also vary according to the competency of the scribe who was trying to make sure he squeezed enough symbols onto a given sheet of papyrus.) Also in some places the phrases and sentences are read horizontally left to right and right to left. Most extant ancient Egyptian documents seem to contain multiple examples of each type of scanning. Individual sections also contain puns should the reader wish to also read the text in one of the alternate scanning patterns. Plus the hieroglyphs resemble and embellish illustrations to which they appear in proximity. (Is it not pathetic the mind numbing activities the old and infirm find when trying to idle away their summer vacations?)

Hieroglyphs that Scranton redefines should logically appear in close proximity to one another in order to form meaningful statements together. In the Papyrus of Ani version of the Book of the Dead, there was only one small section concerning the transformation of the soul into various animal forms where enough of them appeared consistently in close proximity in such a manner to possibly do so. That is certainly not the majority of the text or examples of the cited hieroglyphs’ uses throughout it. (Albeit, I was getting a little bleary eyed, and there are numerous criticisms of the Papyrus of Ani being as inferior textual rendition of an esoteric text.)

If Scranton wants to make this type of argument, he really needs to show examples of how these selected symbols work together in a coherent manner in extant texts. Rather than show how the new scientific meanings he advocates are validated by contextual examples in their original use, Scranton focuses on showing how the potential Dogon cognates overlay scientific explanations in the correct logical manner. To prove that the ancient Egyptians codified complex scientific concepts in their language and that there exists an unbroken transmission between theirs and Dogon, he needs to show both! A likely consistency in phonetic values is not enough, particularly when that is also subject to disagreement. I respect the effort that he has made with hieroglyphs, but there are ample examples of complete texts that he could use to fully test his assertions.

It is tempting to be seduced by the glamour of ancient Egyptian artifacts and to use them to support your own rationales and values. Philosophers, writers and artists have done so since Plato’s time. But the temptation to do so here leaves Scranton’s case half-made. That undermines the integrity of his other thought provoking analysis. It is worthwhile to read Scranton’s take on Dogon cosmology, especially The Science of the Dogon, which recognizes and analyses how complex concepts are given voice in a systematic manner by an African people. Scranton amplifies the important work done by Giraule and Dieterlen years earlier. I enjoyed reading The Symbols of the Dogon, and especially liked his analysis of the Dogon Nommo drawing and diagrammatic analysis of similarities between a Buddhist stupa and the Dogon granary. Here Scranton accomplishes what he does best, performing straight up interpretation from the perspective of an intelligent observer. However, he needed to do more work on hieroglyphics to justify the main thrust of his argument. He could have done that by providing contextual examples from primary Egyptian sources. Scranton is a lucid writer who articulates both scientific and cosmological concepts exceedingly well, and is transparent in his methodology. He amply demonstrates the skill set to perform such a demanding analysis, and I hope he continues further with his work.

 


Reply  Message 26 of 38 on the subject 
From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 25/02/2016 17:23
Cool It is done.

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Because we are going to need to figure out how to 'transit' from one magic square to the next?
Done.

Though, I'm waiting for Lee to come back and explain more about the I-Ching. He seems busy though, I don't want to rush it. Plus I already have the hexagrams down in my scheme, so his insights should match up.

In fact, that is what amazed me about the Kabbalah course I took last year. I realised that most of the structure they were describing was what I already had in prototype, and it helped me to fill in some of the gaps.

Here's a graphic I made to help anyone who doesn't get what Lee's stuff is doing:



It's not exhaustive by any means, and just shows what is going on at a basic level in terms of "phase space".

A "phase space" is like a stack of time slices such that the time dimension is shown as a complete unit, so that it is possible to move forwards as well as backwards through the sequence.

I hope this is straightforward enough for everyone, I've only shown 4 of the 8-spoke dharma wheels, the other set is the complement of its polar pair with a central point reflection to its opposite location.

The set I have shown is the "+1" set, formed by adding "1" to each successive tile of the previous 3x3 tile - represented as the spokes as they grow, forming a new 3x3 tile. At the same time, as this is "phase space", the previous 3x3 tile is "remembered" in the spoke sequence. I colour coded it according to one of Lee's many graphics of the HeTu/HoTu.

I've also been reading Alfred Huang's "Numerology of the I-Ching", as background info. According to the blurb, Alfred lives on Hawaii, so he may even know Marko and Nassim.

@Ralph, glad to see some more of your interpretations and questions. I'm not really that bothered about my artwork, the only part I was annoyed about was that you could have linked to my gallery (which I wouldn't have minded). Anyhow, my 4 "Royal" Stars are my own designation because of the "King's/Queen's" chambers in the Great Pyramid - not because I read them in a book (as such). Evenso, I made clear I was not replacing your own suggestion of the 4 Persian Royal Stars. I related that info almost as a joke in imitation of you - and your reaction was the same as that which you accuse the rest of us as being (yes, the "I" word). Plus, I noticed you are now hailing Robert Bauval's theory on other threads. Sorry, but I find that amusing. Learning to spot hypocrisy is a way to refine the character, by applying it to yourself. And, no - I have not ignored your stuff, I just wanted you to explain more about it. You have begun to do so - thanks. Ironically, my "4 Stars" thing might have some merit.

@Riseball, D-RA-CO... meaning "dragon".
"Ra"/Re was a Dragon/Serpent deity.
More on "Dragons" - here.

In fact the sanskrit "Surya" (Sun) is su-rya, and in Japan "Ryu" means "dragon". In China the Suryavanshi Clan is known as "Yu" (the "fish" that turns into a dragon).

RA/RE/RYA/RYU/YU, is the same "serpent"/"dragon" SOLAR entity/conception. Remember, the Surya Yantra is also cognate with the LoShu.

@Ralph, As far as my "re-hash" accusation goes, A E Waite's Tarot deck was composed in the early 20th century, Freemason or not. I'm part of a Yahoo Group which is into these kinds of things, and they recently posted something about a deck of 88 cards which predates the "modern" Tarot.
I'm not saying Waite's Tarot is "wrong", I'm just saying it is predated by older systems. I have a challenge for you Ralph, see what you can find out about a deck of 144 cards (it matches your "4 Ages" model btw).

We've been playing "Cluedo" ever since you arrived, now it's your turn!

As for the Dogon connection, I mentioned in an earlier post that it was identical to John Opsopaus's Pythagorean Tarot system. Keep up buddy!

Also, Ed will confirm that there are many more than 16 particles up for grabs. There are currently 226 confirmed particles. Garrett Lisi (surfer dude and fizzycyst) predicts 22 new particles, for a total of 248 - matching E8. The Dogon "Magic Number" is 266.

This is where Lee's stuff gets interesting (for me anyway), because as Barbitone and Lee were discussing there is a pattern of 19 and 6.

19x6=114 (suras of the koran)
19x8=152 (????)
19x14=266

Interesting, no...?

The koran is also coded throughout with "19" and also prime numbers.

How about this: 113+153=266...?

(113 pre-fixed suras, and 153 fish in the Gospel of John)

Also, no need to worry - I don't babble about bibles, though I do have an Interlinear for reference purposes.

I have also already worked out the 10x10 square - Malkuth.

sadukan.

PS - 11x11 is usually attributed to Daath.

[74:30] "over it is 19" AAalayha(by) tisAAata(9) AAashara(10)
[94:5-6] Al-sharh ("Osiris")
Al-Nitak, Sirius, Kochab, Thuban 
DiYu - 18 Levels of Hell
Philip LeMarchand

Reply  Message 27 of 38 on the subject 
From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 25/02/2016 17:28
great 
I love it 
the 5x5 caught my eye, along with the 3x3
SATOR/ROTAS of course
keep up the good work
you are far from done

Here let me provide a CLUE of what you need to do now?
Please try to find an OLD not NEW depiction of what is known as the CABLE TOW, a symbol that any FREEMASON worth his salt, mercury and sulfur should be aware of.
Find an OLD symbol of the CABLE TOW, not the new one dispensed to the FREEMASON sheeple.
WHY?
Then match up this 'image' with the images you posted above...and ewe, you and u, will be on vay to a higher understanding of why you have been sucked into the VBM vortex.

Can we connect the CABLE TOW = DNA = Caduceus?

The CABLE TOW I can trace to the NEO-lithic CULTures, circa 4500+ BC that had settlements in places like Jericho, Nineveh and of course St. Paul's hometown of Tarsus.
The VINCA script of 4500BC-10,000 BC? exposes not only the bible babble RUSE but also the FREEMASON one too.
Puts them on the SAME PAGE.



Also
 
why do you not have any EVEN MAGIC SQUARES depicted?
4x4 6x6 8x8

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It's not exhaustive by any means, and just shows what is going on at a basic level in terms of "phase space".
In phase and out of phase ... to be or not to be ... those are the questions.

2012 and all other 'turning points' in our history are all about 3 RESULTS that can happen when waves collide.

Folks are stuck on worlds colliding 
i.e. Nibiru 
My feeling is that Nibiru has more to do with DNA than a rogue planet.
read please:
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/200...crossing-over/

What if it is the TRIUNE/TRINITY of WAVES arriving from space that we cannot see that can do us harm or good?

1/ Brahma creator wave
2/ Siva destroyer wave
3/ Vishnu is the preserver/maintainer wave


It is obvious to me that, the father, son, holy ghost, jesus, aliens, UFOs, etc. comprise the nonsense that keeps us distracted from this simple fact of life.

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Werer
A "phase space" is like a stack of time slices such that the time dimension is shown as a complete unit, so that it is possible to move forwards as well as backwards through the sequence.
so please explain how phase space makes it possible to move forward or backward.

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I've also been reading Alfred Huang's "Numerology of the I-Ching", as background info. According to the blurb, Alfred lives on Hawaii, so he may even know Marko and Nassim.
here is what I do to the I-Ching that separates me from the rest of the followers who lack imagination.
I 'REVERSE ENGINEER' symbols.
Thus we trace the I-Ching >>> Lo-shu >>> yin yang >>> 12,000 year old swastika eventually.

And those living arrangements are temporary.
that was then
this is now
I thought Marko moved to southern California?
Did you know that *528 guru Dr. Leonard Horowitz* the Knight of Malta member, was Marko's neighbor in Hawaii?

think about that.....
Is NaSSim being 'groomed' as the next blah blah spokesman?
who is shleeping with who in the world to cum? 

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@Ralph, glad to see some more of your interpretations
the info I need to make the interpretations have been arriving daily
never ever take 'classes' sadukan 
maybe YOU should respect that fact of life dude 
I do not need to at this time, take classes
The teacher is with me 24/7 
And clearly I should be a 'teacher' myself.

Actually I am now holding court and teaching other folks what I 'know' in my home, using my garden, where I built a labyrinth, to be used as a living learning tool, sharing with folks what I have been remembering about the simple truths that have been VEILeD. 
Maybe one day you might find yourself sitting in the front row or walking one of my labyrinths sadukan. 

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Anyhow, my 4 "Royal" Stars are my own designation because of the "King's/Queen's" chambers in the Great Pyramid - not because I read them in a book (as such).
like I thought
pick a new designation dude
I DEMAND your ego find a new name for your little theory.
The name 4 ROYAL STARS should remain intact and clear for anybody on the path to enlightenment.
YOUR IGNORANT DESIGNATION ONLY CONFUSES THE SHEEPLE WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO FOLLOW THE CLUES OUTTA HERE. 

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Evenso, I made clear I was not replacing your own suggestion of the 4 Persian Royal Stars.
4 ROYAL STARS = 4 EVANGELISTS = 4 GOSPEL nonsense taken far too LITERALLY, thus the FIGURATIVE meaning has been lost, sadly this perversion of the TRUTH is all it took to lead the ignorant JC bible babblers by the ring in their nose.

In other words for the religious and science plebes on this thread who have shown some interest in VBM...here is what the IGNORANT really really need to know and understand if you want to CIRCUMVENT all the bullshit we are being told and sold as GOSPEL TRUTH.

4 GOSPELS = 4 ROYAL STARS in 4 Constellations sitting on the ECLIPTIC, NOT to be confused with the sAINT's who came marching in as the 4 EVANGELISTS


sorry for shouting but folks seem deaf dumb and blind in understanding the PRIMARY IMPORTANCE of this undeniable fact.

IT IS THE FIRST STEP in helping to unlock the mind games being perpetrated.

THAT IS WHY SADUKAN COSMOLOGY IS A CRIME against the persons reading his crap!
And folks who do not want to accept that declaration from me as the GOSPEL TRUTH, may as well put me on IGNORE RIGHT NOW!!

For those of you who have not put me on ignore and want to know more...WHY THOSE 4 ROYAL STARS are important to the bigger picture...
1/ http://www.tenspheres.com/researches/fourstars.htm
2/ http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/200...000-years-old/

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I related that info almost as a joke in imitation of you - and your reaction was the same as that which you accuse the rest of us as being (yes, the "I" word).
yes the trickster within sadukan + ignorance + sadukan humor "I" do not appreciate 
you are the joke = you are IGNORANT dead to the creation dude.
VBM alone will not help get you, ewe, or u out of Aridne's amaZing maZe.

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Plus, I noticed you are now hailing Robert Bauval's theory on other threads.
Yes I made a reference, I was not hailing the king, I was merely pointing folks in the direction of his work, to his dating of the pyramid alignment to around 10,000 BC
duh your point is?
what kind of evidence can sadukan offer that we can trace back to 10,000 BC to support all he spews?

duh dude 
again EWE fail to see the inherent poeTREE woven into the text.

Swastika in the orient is associated with the number 10,000 
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i.e.
In Asia it is still used to designate a church on maps and the Kanji for 10,000 is derived from the swastika, which was associated with 10,000 gods.

In China, it is called wan. Its shape appears twice in Ji, the character for 10,000. Hence, it is also a symbol of prosperity. In Chinese depictions of Buddha Amitabha, it frequently appears on his chest.
clever sadukan, though his posts are evidence of something, but what?
sadukan has yet to prove to me he is alive within the heART of the creator, and not one of the walking/talking VBM zombies who can be found on any VBM thread.

Only one Raphahell I know of on the internet delivering a message, that very few of ewe want to rally around. 
Come dance around my maypole sadukan.
I have nicknamed my maypole, st. johnny holmes
So who among you wants to be baptized by sAIN'T johnny holmes or a cattle prod?
moove along now ....

SWASTIKA = THEORY OF EVERYTHING
This symbol is CLEARLY the KEY to Universal Movement
But negating 2000 years of biblical bullshit along with the past 200 years of science bullshit is no easy task as I have come to learn.

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Sorry, but I find that amusing. Learning to spot hypocrisy is a way to refine the character, by applying it to yourself. And, no - I have not ignored your stuff, I just wanted you to explain more about it.
AH YES IT IS ALL ABOUT MY CHARACTER and learning to spot folk's spots or paint em' with a stripe, how about etching numbers on their arms or awarding them a GOLD STAR of David?
that is the common denominator the IGNORANT mob can rally around eh?
see spot run, watch the IGNORANT Dicks, king Richard the lyin' hearted KILL the JAIN?

Please do not attempt to explain 'my stuff'
stick to your own stuff, though it is lacking in the bigger picture.
Duh sadukan and most folks are eating from the Tree of Knowledge.
I eat fruit from all 3 trees I have found thus far in the archetypal eden.
Tree of Knowledge, Tree of Life, and of course the PoeTREE. 

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You have begun to do so - thanks. Ironically, my "4 Stars" thing might have some merit.
the sooner you realize the importance of the 4 ROYAL STARS and their connection to the big picture, the sooner EWE will find the 'gate/lock' dude, to the paddock/padlock that has ensnared your MIND!

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dragon serpent blah blah
all folks gotta know this
all cultures revered the SNAKE/SERPENT

Christianity TWISTED the SERPENT into an EVIL premise.
WHY?

Duh
go back to those 3 WAVEFORMS dude.

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@Ralph, As far as my "re-hash" accusation goes, A E Waite's Tarot ...
I'm part of a Yahoo Group which is into these kinds of things....
...deck was composed in the early 20th century, Freemason or not.
BLAH BLAH BLAH
YAHOO!!!
IGNORANCE knows no bounds
I wonder how many YAHOOs read the Freemason info I have at my disposal and BLEND it into a recognizable TRUTH, that quite frankly lacks any need for embracing FAITH?

my use of the word "I" bothers IGNORANT sadukan eh?
ok then, somebody with real vision should be entitled to say....

"EYE" have 10 different Tarot books written by 10 different authors in my library.

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, and they recently posted something about a deck of 88 cards which predates the "modern" Tarot.
duh how about a link?
talk is CHEAP.

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I have a challenge for you Ralph, see what you can find out about a deck of 144 cards (it matches your "4 Ages" model btw).
dude
why don't EWE, or one of your YAHOO buddies.
I have a date with destiny....if my guide feels it necessary, I will be lead to the 144.
Hey maybe my guide is speaking through EWE, YOU and U? 

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We've been playing "Cluedo" ever since you arrived, now it's your turn!
So this means the FRAUD is staying?
My challenge to sadukan who was clueless about the 4 ROYAL STARs?

Duh do not pretend you have mastered the 4 ROYAL STARS, or pretend to be as enlightened by them as I have been.

like I said, ewe still have much to learn, though you are no dummy...you need to learn to sift through all that crap you have been accumulating.

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As for the Dogon connection,
I am not totally IGNORANT of the Dogon dude.
Glad you/my guide keep bringing it up.
Let me share more inspiration that came to me years ago.
And at the end of these moments when the info just flows from my inner being, eye always ask myself, what is the source of this knowledge?

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...xyandzaxis.jpg

Dogon Cosmic Egg
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/200...on-cosmic-egg/

So maybe it is time that I put the Dogon Cosmic Egg, into a context that includes all I have learned since?

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I mentioned in an earlier post that it was identical to John Opsopaus's Pythagorean Tarot system. Keep up buddy!
be more specific
would love a link

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Also, Ed will confirm that there are many more than 16 particles up for grabs. There are currently 226 confirmed particles. Garrett Lisi (surfer dude and fizzycyst) predicts 22 new particles, for a total of 248 - matching E8. The Dogon "Magic Number" is 266.
266 = 14 stations of the cross dude? 
maybe
been there seen it done it in regards to Garrett Lisi.
another 'symmetry plebe' who is IGNORANT of my archetypal studies and insights.

here is something we (my daemon and me) wrote together back in 2007 when E8 was first heralded as 'the theory of everything' 
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/200...e-e8-symmetry/
Yes I would say to ED that we can take the HIGGS BOSON and find a total of NINE particles.
pay attention sadukan
YOU DO NOT NEED TO PAY ME...like you do the KA BAA LALALA masters you love to reBLEAT.

5 x 5 Rotas Square (why do I prefer to call it ROTAS instead of SATOR?)
9 squares comprises the CROSS composed of the letters TENET.
TENET means to hold.
To hold = 'MAGICAL 9' letters.
But really the 9 is only 3.
Can I associate these 3 letters to the word TEN or NET?
Depends which way we flow, err, I mean read the TEXT, err I mean the WEAVE?

THUS GRAVITY/secrets we are trying to unlock are associated with the Square CROSS within the Rotas Square.

The other 16 squares = 4x4 isolated are the 16 particles.
But hey the REAL LEAP of enlightenment is when we do something real simple again folks.
COMPARE ALL I JUST OFFERED TO CYMATICS!!!!!!!!1


What does CYMATICS TELL US ABOUT why some particles VIBE into a CROSS or other significant shapes and forms.
YES WE DID WRITE SOMETHING ABOUT CYMATICS AND SIMPLE TRUTHS that IGNORANT folks FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE...like sadukan.
go here:
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/200...ngs-had-horns/

sadukan though he appears one of the brightest lights on this thread, he could in fact be the most lost and confused, actually helping to lead folks astray with his bright light?

DUH YES!!

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This is where Lee's stuff gets interesting (for me anyway), because as Barbitone and Lee were discussing there is a pattern of 19 and 6.

19x6=114 (suras of the koran)
19x8=152 (????)
19x14=266

Interesting, no...?
sorry
for me... 
NO it is not.
but never ever say never

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The koran is also coded throughout with "19" and also prime numbers.

How about this: 113+153=266...?

(113 pre-fixed suras, and 153 fish in the Gospel of John)
well that I took notice of.
113 was my former union number as firefighter...then it was changed to 3888.
153 = 17 x 9

DUDEs who love to feud using IGNORANCE, a reminder is in order...

Please don't forget 'eye' am the former firefighter, who had the employee numbers, first, 52801, later replaced in the year of the galactic alignment (1998) with 8013522, born at 5:28 am on 3/7, 1957 (reduces to 22), issued the badge 1258 who was in fact woken up by 911, only to reveal to the world, after going into such dark, scary HOT places, that the two opposite rotating swastikas placed over each other form the maltese cross, the international,global sign of the firefighter. 
Theseus followed Aridne's thread out of the maze, after he defeated the Minotaur, in the cretan labyrinth....firefighters if they get into trouble, follow the hose line out. 

NOW after 9 years I must conclude that the swastikas/maltese cross is that object in plain view folks do not see...that is the object I have returned with from the heART of the Labyrinth.

These symbols, the swastika/maltese cross represent vortex energy, necessary for the LIGHT and SOUND show, etc., obviously intimately connected to the creation process and the inner NATURE we should nurture?
DUH in other words, DUH how would THEY veil these processes of NATURE?
The folks who KNOW THE PATTERNS?
DUH it cannot be done, how do you VEIL a whirlpool or the sunflower, or the pine cone, or or or or

duh with jesus christ rhetoric, and aliens and and and other bullshit that serves only to divide the square into 4 corners, divided by the square cross?
thrice duh, duh, duh

Like I keep saying fella
EWE are dead, dead, dead to the creation, VBM is only CPR.
EYE, however have been woken up, and given vision, AND the voice is just starting to be heard.
And Ed Witten needs to hear it.
NOT EWE, you just take my offerings and dilute the meanings to fit sadukan cosmology seen in his own image?
Has the repetitive nature of history not taught any of EWE about the PATTERNS???????

Go see a shrink and learn about your pathetic PATTERNS folks.
things can only get better.

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Also, no need to worry - I don't babble about bibles, though I do have an Interlinear for reference purposes.
dude there is bible babble, science babble and VBM babble.
nothing seems sacred any longer.
The TOWER of Babel shall fall once again.

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I have also already worked out the 10x10 square - Malkuth.

sadukan.

PS - 11x11 is usually attributed to Daath.
hey Lee Daath is also associated with the letter GIMEL, letter #3, AND the number 13 ... 
Duh
Sadukan fill in LEE about the tree of life, he is apparently IGNORANT of, afterall he fills ewe up with his spew, it is the least you could do for your guru buddy, who has been *kicked* out of my temple called inspiration.

sadukans biggest problem is he does not respect me
Lee's problem is, as his last post showed in making a reference to me, is that he lacks balls, the wankers/mob over at the Hancock site ganged up on me, Lee who I inspired evidently, did not defend me in his posts, did not take a stand, he only took my thoughts and then watched me flounder.

IGNORANCE operates just like that.
it goes all downhill from there

namaste

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 07/03/2016 22:43
 
Talking A Pattern in the Primes...

I found a pattern in the Primes.

I had to go beyond the 24 point Prime Number Cross (PNC) though.

The Trefoil Prime Circuit (inverted as "Odhin's Knot") is still required:

Valknut-Symbol-triquetra.svg
Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=925690



The resultant process functions as the final stage of Tikkun in the Kabbalah:

[Nihilo] << Seed < Tree < Flower < Fruit < Seed << [HOL]

[Wu] << Tai < Zi < Yi < Mu < Zu << [Xi] 

Fruit: 14x19=[266] Sene (Seeds) in Dogon Cosmology:
Hogon (HOL) by XN0R on DeviantArt

( Yi < Mu < Zu ) is also congruent with Stephen M Phillips' Type A-B-C Tetractys:


http://www.smphillips.8m.com/the-tree-of-life-08.html


Type A-B-C by XN0R on DeviantArt





This is also congruent with the "Cube of Cephas"...

 

sadukan.

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Estatuilla de la Milenaria Cultura Dogu

 

Statuette of the millenary culture Dogu

 

 

 

RELIQUIAS ANCESTRALES DEL REMOTO FUTURO FUTURO, DE ANTHORZEITGEIST DOGU I

 

 

 

Reliquias Ancestrales del Remoto Futuro

de Anthor Zeitgeist

https://reliquiasancestralesdelremotofuturo.wordpress.com/

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Isis, ISIS, and Apotheosis of the 266th Pope

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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There has been a tremendous amount of internet buzz and speculation regarding the dates of 9/23 and 9/24/2015. Some Christian groups were predicting the rapture. Others were predicting a major ISIS terrorist attack. Still others were expecting an assassination attempt on either Obama or the Pope. WW III, asteroid strikes, and EMPs were among the other candidates. The UFO crowd expected the Pope to finally disclose contact with extra-terrestrials. It is now 9/26 and the theatrics expected on 9/23 have been underwhelming to say the least. Nevertheless there was some highly significant symbolism occurring on the 23rd/24th day of September and I want to expound upon it here.

First of all, the Roman Catholic Church has never been primarily about Jesus or elevating the level of human consciousness on Spaceship Earth. It has always been about power and control over the rabble through the use of symbolism and mythology rooted in ancient astro-theological Solar/Saturn/Sirius cults going back through Egypt and Babylon. I will provide a few examples of the connections between Roman Catholic symbols and their ancient predecessors.

The Pope is often seen wearing the “Mitre” which symbolizes the open mouth of a fish. Fish symbolism is everywhere in Christianity and it is not just because the disciples were fishermen and Jesus made them “fishers of men”. Christianity began at the end of the age of Aries (the Ram) and the beginning of the age of Pisces (the Fish). When Jesus talks about “the end of the age”, this refers to the procession of the equinox through the zodiac which indicates the astrological “age”. These ages last about 2160 years so we are currently transitioning from the end of the age of Pisces to the beginning of the age of Aquarius. The Roman Catholic Church is therefore predictably beginning to abandon the Jesus fish for some new arrangement of deities or a new “Good Shepherd” that will be used to goad the sheeple into their pens throughout the Age of Aquarius.

Pope-Francis-Proves-Atheists-Not-Bigots

But anyway… back to the Pope’s fish hat (Cardinals also wear them at times):

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The fish hat was also worn prior to Christianity by the priests of Dagon. Dagon was a fish god and also a god of the harvest to the ancient Babylonians and Philistines. Cronus (to the Greeks) or Saturn (to Romans) was also a god of the harvest and we often see him with a scythe or sickle. Put them together and we have the fishes and the loaves. Dagon may also be related to Dogon and Sirius worship which had a special symbolism to Egyptians relating to the time of year when the Nile would flood. Sirius being in the constellation of Canis Major relates it to the Canine while the relation to Dogon or Dagon is probably how canines came to be called dogs. Dogon may also be related to the etymology of the Dragon. To this day we still call late summer, “The dog days of summer” thanks to Dogon or Dagon and Sirius’s signalling the waters of the Nile to flood.

Anyway… The Pope’s fish hat is related to Dagon or Dogon and astro-theological pre-Christian deities.

vatican18_19Well ill be dagon

The fish hat is just one example of symbolism relating back to pre-Christian deities, but in the interests of time and space I’ll move on to symbolism more relevant to the Pope’s recent visit to D.C. on 9/23 and 9/24.

One of the most amazing and prominent architectural wonders of the Vatican is Saint Peter’s Basilica with its 448′ tall dome designed primarily by Bramante and Michelangelo. The basilica faces East to greet the rising sun and to its East is an elliptical plaza with an Egyptian Obelisk in the center. The Obelisk was transported from Egypt and re-erected in Rome around 37 AD.

 

New Saint Peter's, Vatican, Rome

Saint Peter’s Basilica and Plaza with Obelisk, Vatican, Rome

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Saint Peter’s Basilica and Plaza with Obelisk, Vatican, Rome

Where else do we find the “male” obelisk inside the round “female” shape across from a very large dome? …Washington D.C.

 

 

Washington Monument

Washington Monument due West of the Capitol dome

So whats this all about? Just some old men acting like little boys who think it’s funny to draw body parts on the etcha-sketch? The story goes back to Sun worship in Egypt. Osiris was the old chief Sun god whose brother Set kills him at the end of the day (sun-set). As the legend goes, Set dismembers the body of Osiris and scatters his parts around the world. Isis, the Queen and wife of Osiris finds all of the pieces of Osiris’s body except for one member… his “member” which was unfortunately swallowed by a fish. So Isis fashions a new “gold member” for Osiris bringing him back to life. They have the sex and Horus is conceived – a baby sun god. (we probably get “hours” of the day from “Horus”). Isis, the virgin mother and pre-Madonna, is frequently pictured nursing baby Horus, and in the Roman Catholic Church we often see the virgin Mary (Madonna) nursing the baby Sun/Son of God.

 

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Isis nursing baby Horus and The Madonna holding baby Jesus

So it is no coincidence that the Pope’s schedule follows the itinerary of the tour of Madonna (who is a “Christianized” Isis) who performs this September just prior to the Pope at Washington D.C., Madison Square Garden, and Philadelphia – the city of Big Brotherly Love.

 

The Egyptian obelisk represents the phallus of Osiris and the ellipse or vesica pisces (belly of the fish) in this case represents… well it should be obvious… intercourse with Isis. The adjacent dome represents the womb or breast of Isis where a god is made and nursed. This is why the mosaic inside of the dome of St. Peter’s Basilica shows Jesus and the saints on their way to heaven at the top and also why the inside of the D.C. Capitol dome has a painting showing George Washington ascending to heaven which is titled “The Apotheosis of George Washington.” Apotheosis literally means to become a god.

 

Mosaic inside the dome of St. Peter's Basilica. Saints and angels rise towards heaven.

Mosaic inside the dome of St. Peter’s Basilica. Saints and angels rise towards heaven.

Apotheosis of George Washington

“The Apotheosis of George Washington” painted inside the dome on the U.S. Capitol. The 72 inverted pentagrams may symbolize the 72 years it takes for 1 degree of procession of the equinox.

I have read that at certain times in history the Egyptians would conduct human sacrifices… usually of foreigners or slaves… and at these times they believed the God Osiris would enter the Obelisk and that the Pharoah who sat in an adjacent dome (womb of Isis) believed this would make him a god.

 

Okay, let’s get back to the Pope’s visit. This is the 266th Pope from the first – St. Peter. The Pope decided to arrive at Washington D.C. on 9/23 which happens to be the 266th day of the year. Why is that significant? On average, a woman is pregnant for 266 days before going into labor. In Genesis, it is said that labor pain is the first judgment God gave to mankind. The evening of 9/22 to the evening of 9/23 is 7/10 on the Jewish calendar which is the Day of Atonement. This was the day that God decided how he was going to judge a person for the rest of the year and on 7/11 he would issue that judgement. (Side note: SEPT-ember was originally the 7th month so 9/11 could be thought of as 7/11. And 9/11 in Roman numerals is IXXI which is a re-working of the sign of Saturn and was engraved in Jesuit rings for a time. Pope Francis is the first Jesuit Pope, so he is thus “Lord of the IXXI Rings” and therefore kind of like the eye of Sauron/Saturn between the twin towers… Oh and don’t forget tower 7… 7/11). This year, 9/23 also happened to be the fall equinox – which doesn’t mean much to modern man, but recall that the ancients (and modern secret societies) were all about the Sun worship. Fall equinox is thus symbolic of the time when the powers of darkness overcome the powers of the light. Thus, what is “birthed” on 9/24 is something wicked.

So on 9/23 the prez “basked in the glow” of the Pope. On 9/24 the Pope journeyed to the Capitol. At some point he was interrupted by an illegal immigrant child who managed to evade iron clad security (staged much?) waving a heart-wrenching letter describing how she didn’t want to be deported. The Pope stood in the Capitol, which is symbolically the womb of Isis where a god is conceived or where men become gods (the dome also happens to be currently in the middle of a remodel or “reformation”). The main theme of his visit and of his speech was that the Western world needs to welcome the foreign children (to be sacrificed to Osiris) newly delivered unto us. Of course, it is well known that some of these “migrant children” belong to the terrorist group named: ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria).


So there you have it. The pope’s visit and message is all about Isis and the birthing of the children of ISIS through labor pains of judgment in the fall as the Western borders fall. Anyone who’s been paying attention knows that it is a thinly veiled fact that the West created ISIS by giving weapons, training, and funds to moderate rebels (also known as Al-Qaeda) in order to topple the Assad regime in Syria and possibly to be the next big bogeyman that will force Westerners to continue giving up their civil liberties so that they may be lovingly integrated into the global community with a nice big hug from Big Brother. Isis is ISIS is made by the secret societies who revere Isis and are the hidden hand behind Western geopolitics.

 

Pope Francis, accompanied by members of Congress, waves to the crowd from the Speakers Balcony on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Sept. 24, 2015, after addressing a joint meeting of Congress inside. Doug Mills / The New York Times via AP, Pool))

Pope Francis, accompanied by members of Congress, waves to the crowd from the Speakers Balcony on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Sept. 24, 2015, after addressing a joint meeting of Congress inside. Doug Mills / The New York Times via AP, Pool))

Pope Francis addresses congress on 9/24/2015

Pope Francis addresses congress on 9/24/2015

Oh and in case anyone missed the irony / hypocrisy… here’s the walls that keep the poor migrant children out of the Pope’s obscenely wealthy little city-state:

 

 

Vatican Wall and Entrance

Vatican Wall and Entrance

Vatican Walls

Vatican Walls


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A good quick run-down on the occult astro-theology of Saturn:http://youtu.be/ylyZ9gKySAg

More info on occult astro-theological symbolism in art and architecture:http://youtu.be/L777RhL_Fz4

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