Producer's note: link this recording was done several months link ago via Skype between Paul’s home base in England and Jason’s in the US. At the time link we didn’t have a specific intention of using it for The Grey NATO, so the sound quality isn’t quite up to the standards you’ve come to expect from TGN. But James did his best with the edit, and we think the content of Jason’s chat with Paul is worth it, which is why we decided to run this as a full episode.